Yeah, I have to +1 Mohammad's reply. I use TW5 to create single-page websites and my latest project is using TiddlyWiki as a solution for recording facts about a universe of discourse for database-engineering.
As is, TW5 can be used for note-taking, but the various use cases for TiddlyWiki <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vYRsgXPJqjQ/m/FawPXDWdBwAJ> are really mind-blowing. TW5 is, to me, a hypertext solutions platform for just about anything. The more "core" TW5 gets burdened with features applicable to a particular use case, it makes TW5 heavier (not so great) for all the other use cases. To me, it sniffs like there are enough folk to maybe collaborate on an edition of TiddlyWiki that is EverNote-like? I think that would be very cool. (However, just to be clear: although I think that would be very cool, that is not an edition of TiddlyWiki that I would be interested in at all. Not to build it. Not to use it.) Or just a "recipe" for creating a killer TW5 Note-Taking edition... (Actually, documented "recipes" for various solutions with TW5 would be awesome.) ASIDE: As a WYSIWYG editor, have you tried BJ Tools' Visual Editor <http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#VisualEditor>? Cheers and best regards! On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:20:04 AM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 7:03 AM bluespire <gswr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would be interested in chatting about this. >> >> I too feel that TW5 could be a killer app, but I think it needs to be >> presented to the mainstream in a way that separates itself from all the >> other note-taking tools. TW5 is very powerful, but is distributed in a very >> vanilla form. That's great for power the two ends of the user bell-curve; >> power users, and very light users. The majority of users want something at >> least as close to what Evernote can deliver. I believe that for TW5 to go >> mainstream, a polished, customized, version of it should be marketed as an >> "Evernote clone, but can be self-hosted (privacy), customized, and >> scripted". Doesn't have to be "evernote clone", choose your poison, but I >> still think that is the best way to go. Then you will get the mainstream >> hooked, and the power-users and developers will follow (at least I hope so). >> > > That is a pain! TW in the current form is not suitable for the majority of > users! But it is a killer app as you said for many advanced users! > > > >> >> My major blocker is screen-shots and robust WYSIWYG, that I'm trying to >> get around with by using CKEditor embedded. >> > > Let me disagree! Lets TW uses a plain editor for text! There are some > tools to edit and see the results side by side! Keep it light and simple > > > >> >> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-6 sreb...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Thanks for clarifying, Ray..... >>> >>> Would enjoy joining you sometime, but for me, would likely need to be on >>> a Monday - Friday, my weekends are a bit hectic for various reasons.... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:36:17 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-) >>>> Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet. >>>> Tomorrow i start one again. >>>> Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, >>>> making plans, whatever comes up :-) >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? >>>>> >>>>> In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later.... >>>>> >>>>> If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work >>>>> right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch >>>>> hour or sometimes my afternoons work. >>>>> >>>>> If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this >>>>> post... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? >>>>>> Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a >>>>>> higher level? >>>>>> I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: >>>>>> https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Ray >>>>>> >>>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the >>>>>>> right people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> give a big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps >>>>>>> in the past week or so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, >>>>>>> useful tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> trying to get my head around how to use it effectively is another >>>>>>> matter >>>>>>> and can quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical >>>>>>> stuff' one needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you want it to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources >>>>>>> available >>>>>>> to customize TW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful >>>>>>> to a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 >>>>>>> & >>>>>>> 2) the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a >>>>>>> point where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big >>>>>>> payoff in doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >>>>>>> included it in my TW.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Ray >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote >>>>>>>> "TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware >>>>>>>> of. Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you >>>>>>>> learn something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit >>>>>>>> helps. I have done this at times on my >>>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all >>>>>>>> means, let's see what ya got! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you >>>>>>>> get stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for >>>>>>>> years, >>>>>>>> and they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me >>>>>>>> because of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> here who are generous with their time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Blessings! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 rayv...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and >>>>>>>>> quit that recently for another tool. >>>>>>>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>>>>>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible >>>>>>>>> learning curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the >>>>>>>>> magic unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, >>>>>>>>> realy! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to >>>>>>>>> look all over the place to find them. >>>>>>>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>>>>>>> (THANKS!!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit >>>>>>>>> group kind of alive. >>>>>>>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>>>>>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>>>>>>> started. >>>>>>>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the >>>>>>>>> power and beauty of TW. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read >>>>>>>>> TW lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often >>>>>>>>> not but i keep going, >>>>>>>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer >>>>>>>>> but extrovert enough :-) ) >>>>>>>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>>>>>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford < >>>>>>>>> dgif...@crcna.org>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't >>>>>>>>>> want to derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam >>>>>>>>>> in this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly >>>>>>>>>> improving Roam, >>>>>>>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even >>>>>>>>>> a year >>>>>>>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the >>>>>>>>>> comments just >>>>>>>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS >>>>>>>>>> are the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or >>>>>>>>>> Connor's account) retweets them. Which is no different from what >>>>>>>>>> @TiddlyWiki does. And other influencers are creating courses to cash >>>>>>>>>> in on >>>>>>>>>> people wanting to learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> pages by creating videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for >>>>>>>>>> Roam, >>>>>>>>>> like it did for Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question >>>>>>>>>> is, what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing >>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>> well that we have a great open source product, how can we get and >>>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>>>>>> users? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, >>>>>>>>>> myself included, are not the people best suited to actually promote >>>>>>>>>> TW, and >>>>>>>>>> that we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> better onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. >>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>> remember how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a >>>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>> blog posts on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam >>>>>>>>>> Research's @ >>>>>>>>>> username a few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine >>>>>>>>>> what we >>>>>>>>>> could do with a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting >>>>>>>>>> of TW's >>>>>>>>>> capabilities, and testimonials from influencers. By people who know >>>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>>> express it in non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write >>>>>>>>>> and promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to >>>>>>>>>> create more >>>>>>>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video >>>>>>>>>> walkthroughs for >>>>>>>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great >>>>>>>>>> plugins for >>>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / >>>>>>>>>> ten for >>>>>>>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the >>>>>>>>>> right strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it >>>>>>>>>> for us. >>>>>>>>>> For free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their >>>>>>>>>> Youtube >>>>>>>>>> videos and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they >>>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>>> for the course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' >>>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>>>> even though it has ben around for years, and even though we >>>>>>>>>> approached them >>>>>>>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let >>>>>>>>>> them get >>>>>>>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding >>>>>>>>>> experience held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> numerous saving options before I can even use this on my >>>>>>>>>> computer?"). If we >>>>>>>>>> could get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to >>>>>>>>>> get us >>>>>>>>>> the exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/57da1a15-f3d9-4adf-80e1-f6907f083fddn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/57da1a15-f3d9-4adf-80e1-f6907f083fddn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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