I would be interested in chatting about this. I too feel that TW5 could be a killer app, but I think it needs to be presented to the mainstream in a way that separates itself from all the other note-taking tools. TW5 is very powerful, but is distributed in a very vanilla form. That's great for power the two ends of the user bell-curve; power users, and very light users. The majority of users want something at least as close to what Evernote can deliver. I believe that for TW5 to go mainstream, a polished, customized, version of it should be marketed as an "Evernote clone, but can be self-hosted (privacy), customized, and scripted". Doesn't have to be "evernote clone", choose your poison, but I still think that is the best way to go. Then you will get the mainstream hooked, and the power-users and developers will follow (at least I hope so).
Personally, when I have free time to play with it, I'm trying mold TW5 into a true replacement for OneNote. My major blocker is screen-shots and robust WYSIWYG, that I'm trying to get around with by using CKEditor embedded. If I can figure that out, then I think the sidebar organization (notebook, sections, pages) will be child's play, and then finally I will work on adding OneNote's special handling tabs and text-selection. On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-6 sreb...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks for clarifying, Ray..... > > Would enjoy joining you sometime, but for me, would likely need to be on a > Monday - Friday, my weekends are a bit hectic for various reasons.... > > Best, > > Mark > > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:36:17 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-) >> Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet. >> Tomorrow i start one again. >> Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, >> making plans, whatever comes up :-) >> >> Ray >> >> Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? >>> >>> In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later.... >>> >>> If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work >>> right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch >>> hour or sometimes my afternoons work. >>> >>> If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this >>> post... :-) >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? >>>> Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a >>>> higher level? >>>> I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: >>>> https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the >>>>> right people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this >>>>> would >>>>> give a big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people >>>>> using >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in >>>>> the past week or so. >>>>> >>>>> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful >>>>> tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found >>>>> trying >>>>> to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can >>>>> quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one >>>>> needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want >>>>> it >>>>> to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources available to >>>>> customize TW. >>>>> >>>>> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful >>>>> to a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & >>>>> 2) the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found >>>>> the >>>>> way he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful >>>>> and >>>>> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his >>>>> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >>>>> >>>>> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a >>>>> point where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big >>>>> payoff in doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >>>>> included it in my TW.... >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ray >>>>>> >>>>>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote >>>>>> "TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>>>>> >>>>>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware >>>>>> of. Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>>>>> >>>>>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you >>>>>> learn something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit >>>>>> helps. I have done this at times on my >>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all >>>>>> means, let's see what ya got! >>>>>> >>>>>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you >>>>>> get stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, >>>>>> and they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me >>>>>> because of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful >>>>>> people >>>>>> here who are generous with their time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessings! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and >>>>>>> quit that recently for another tool. >>>>>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. >>>>>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>>>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible >>>>>>> learning curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the >>>>>>> magic unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, >>>>>>> realy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to >>>>>>> look all over the place to find them. >>>>>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>>>>> (THANKS!!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit >>>>>>> group kind of alive. >>>>>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>>>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>>>>> started. >>>>>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the >>>>>>> power and beauty of TW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read >>>>>>> TW lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often >>>>>>> not but i keep going, >>>>>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but >>>>>>> extrovert enough :-) ) >>>>>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>>>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org >>>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want >>>>>>>> to derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam >>>>>>>> in this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving >>>>>>>> Roam, >>>>>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>>>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are >>>>>>>> the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or >>>>>>>> Connor's >>>>>>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>> does. >>>>>>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people >>>>>>>> wanting to >>>>>>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating >>>>>>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, >>>>>>>> what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>> gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> have a great open source product, how can we get and retain users? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, >>>>>>>> myself included, are not the people best suited to actually promote >>>>>>>> TW, and >>>>>>>> that we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> better onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just >>>>>>>> remember how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a >>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> blog posts on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam >>>>>>>> Research's @ >>>>>>>> username a few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> could do with a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of >>>>>>>> TW's >>>>>>>> capabilities, and testimonials from influencers. By people who know >>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>> express it in non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write >>>>>>>> and promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / >>>>>>>> ten for >>>>>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the >>>>>>>> right strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for >>>>>>>> us. >>>>>>>> For free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube >>>>>>>> videos and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they >>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>> for the course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>> even though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding >>>>>>>> experience held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> numerous saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). >>>>>>>> If we >>>>>>>> could get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>> the exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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