i meant the actual tiddlywiki site ;) i don't know but I for once always
start with the "official"
David Gifford schrieb am Dienstag, 16. März 2021 um 20:00:17 UTC+1:
> @flohit - Projectify was already listed in the Toolmap in the Project
> management section, but I added it to themes and to Productivity - Misc to
> give it more exposure in those areas.
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 12:24:34 PM UTC-6 flohit...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I think you have some valid points. Also, I think tiddlywiki will always
>> kind of have its own niche. It is definitely underrated though!
>> I'm not a webdeveloper, but not tech-averse, and I understand that TW has
>> lots of potential, especially bc there is an active and passionate
>> community around it.
>> But I think the fact that documentation is kind of all over the place and
>> often-times a bit short makes it hard to get right into TW as a newbie. ofc
>> your toolmap is great and there are lots of efforts but one gets pretty
>> lost in looking up all those plugins and what they do in comparison to each
>> other.
>> For example, why not have something like a git backed documentation site
>> (like gitbook) where everyone can chip in?
>> Also, documentation for specific "Editions"/usecases should be more
>> centrally promoted (how is projectify not listed as a CE actually) , and
>> some more "modern" /clean themes being available from the start . maybe
>> having subforums for certain usecases would be good to promote establishing
>> those.
>>
>> You are right in the "Roam" hype being actually great for TW. (It's
>> actually a pity, that stroll and Tiddlymaps don't work so well together,
>> but I'll write on the need for a bit more basic and exportable graphing
>> tool elsewhere). I think there's a general trend away from the social media
>> platforms and going "back to the roots", connecting and using standalone
>> websites with the more easy tools developing. (see also indie web)
>> A specific discourse there is "digital grdening", which anne-laure was
>> contributing, too , and i think tiddlywiki, especially with improving
>> static export capability could do very well there. because it is already a
>> note-taking tool, and a wiki, it is multi-device, and you don't need to
>> spend your whole time in the command line (looking at org-roam, that I'm
>> also looking at). The community could/should cater more to that maybe, as
>> it unifys much of the movement i was talking about. maybe a YT series -
>> digital gardening with tiddlywiki in X steps :) If you hit up tom critchlow
>> and anne -laure (who have mentioned TW specifically) or some other ppl they
>> maybe will promote it, and there also seems a telegram group around the
>> topic where you could seek support.
>> I think it's a very good fit - these are mostly younger professionals (
>> in my eyes at least, and in comparison to ppl in the TW community seemingly
>> existing since the web was launched) who don't seem to have much problems
>> setting up own themes with ssg's which will be great when the anounced
>> framework is available. but, that's also why i discovered TW so this
>> interest is wuiute selfish.
>>
>> Also *cough* google groups is a bit of an hinderance as ppl that TW might
>> want to appeal to gain support - security and open source related devs use
>> discourse now which is OS for those matters i think ;P
>>
>> David Gifford schrieb am Freitag, 5. März 2021 um 14:56:02 UTC+1:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to
>>> derail that thread and am starting a new one.
>>>
>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM
>>>
>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in
>>> this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam,
>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on
>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a year
>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments just
>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success.
>>>
>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are the
>>> ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's
>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does.
>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting to
>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating
>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for
>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, what
>>> can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that TiddlyWiki gets
>>> the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we have a
>>> great open source product, how can we get and retain users?
>>>
>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI
>>>
>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself
>>> included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that
>>> we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with better
>>> onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember
>>> how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog posts
>>> on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username a
>>> few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do with
>>> a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's capabilities,
>>> and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it in
>>> non-technical, non-absract terms.
>>>
>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and
>>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more
>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for
>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for
>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten for
>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc
>>>
>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right
>>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For
>>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos
>>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for the
>>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even
>>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them
>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them get
>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to.
>>>
>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience
>>> held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous
>>> saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could
>>> get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the
>>> exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
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