@flohit - Projectify was already listed in the Toolmap in the Project
management section, but I added it to themes and to Productivity - Misc to
give it more exposure in those areas.
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 12:24:34 PM UTC-6 flohit...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> I think you have some valid points. Also, I think tiddlywiki will always
> kind of have its own niche. It is definitely underrated though!
> I'm not a webdeveloper, but not tech-averse, and I understand that TW has
> lots of potential, especially bc there is an active and passionate
> community around it.
> But I think the fact that documentation is kind of all over the place and
> often-times a bit short makes it hard to get right into TW as a newbie. ofc
> your toolmap is great and there are lots of efforts but one gets pretty
> lost in looking up all those plugins and what they do in comparison to each
> other.
> For example, why not have something like a git backed documentation site
> (like gitbook) where everyone can chip in?
> Also, documentation for specific "Editions"/usecases should be more
> centrally promoted (how is projectify not listed as a CE actually) , and
> some more "modern" /clean themes being available from the start . maybe
> having subforums for certain usecases would be good to promote establishing
> those.
>
> You are right in the "Roam" hype being actually great for TW. (It's
> actually a pity, that stroll and Tiddlymaps don't work so well together,
> but I'll write on the need for a bit more basic and exportable graphing
> tool elsewhere). I think there's a general trend away from the social media
> platforms and going "back to the roots", connecting and using standalone
> websites with the more easy tools developing. (see also indie web)
> A specific discourse there is "digital grdening", which anne-laure was
> contributing, too , and i think tiddlywiki, especially with improving
> static export capability could do very well there. because it is already a
> note-taking tool, and a wiki, it is multi-device, and you don't need to
> spend your whole time in the command line (looking at org-roam, that I'm
> also looking at). The community could/should cater more to that maybe, as
> it unifys much of the movement i was talking about. maybe a YT series -
> digital gardening with tiddlywiki in X steps :) If you hit up tom critchlow
> and anne -laure (who have mentioned TW specifically) or some other ppl they
> maybe will promote it, and there also seems a telegram group around the
> topic where you could seek support.
> I think it's a very good fit - these are mostly younger professionals ( in
> my eyes at least, and in comparison to ppl in the TW community seemingly
> existing since the web was launched) who don't seem to have much problems
> setting up own themes with ssg's which will be great when the anounced
> framework is available. but, that's also why i discovered TW so this
> interest is wuiute selfish.
>
> Also *cough* google groups is a bit of an hinderance as ppl that TW might
> want to appeal to gain support - security and open source related devs use
> discourse now which is OS for those matters i think ;P
>
> David Gifford schrieb am Freitag, 5. März 2021 um 14:56:02 UTC+1:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to
>> derail that thread and am starting a new one.
>>
>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM
>>
>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in this
>> Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, and it
>> can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on backlinks
>> as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a year ago, when
>> they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments just feel like
>> they are generated out of envy of their success.
>>
>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are the
>> ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's
>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does.
>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting to
>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating
>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for
>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, what
>> can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that TiddlyWiki gets
>> the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we have a
>> great open source product, how can we get and retain users?
>>
>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI
>>
>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself
>> included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that
>> we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with better
>> onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember
>> how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog posts
>> on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username a
>> few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do with
>> a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's capabilities,
>> and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it in
>> non-technical, non-absract terms.
>>
>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and
>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more
>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for
>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for
>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten for
>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc
>>
>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right
>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For
>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos
>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for the
>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even
>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them
>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them get
>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to.
>>
>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience held
>> us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous saving
>> options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could get the
>> onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the exposure,
>> TiddlyWiki would have its day.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
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