Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing 
it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with 
the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel 
great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very poor 
habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it 
may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The worse 
thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let 
it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a happy 
medium for my body. 

I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much 
time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and 
the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd been in a 
long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but 
it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. 

Hugs to all,
Barbara A


-----Original Message-----
From: Janice <jan...@centurytel.net>
To: Robert Pall <rp...@neillsupply.com>; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!



Robert,

I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it because of 
arthritis in my20back.  Exercise done in water should

not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think hard 
about moderation when you first begin and add

more slowly.    Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get back 
in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon

I hope.        Good luck.


----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Pall

To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM

Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!




        I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!

        Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word "unsubscribe". When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anyth
ing at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM

New topic: Exercise

        Exercise….when is enough enough?

        I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as 
if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.

        My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 
years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a 
sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the to
wel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started 
back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.

        I will attempt to introduce "moderation" to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of 
a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I 
let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can 
assure you that this is not a vanity issue.

        I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works 
for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on 
Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress 
moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying 
while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain.

        OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic!

Rob in New Jersey


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