Barbara,  as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.    With our 
bodies, we have to.   I hated to read that you suffered
    for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.    I can  and have done the 
same thing doing things around the house - so I
    know what you feel when you just don't want to stop.  BUT, again, with our 
bodies, we have to.       I hope you never
    have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!!           Janice

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: balmat...@aol.com 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing 
it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with 
the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

  Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel 
great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very poor 
habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it 
may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The worse 
thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let 
it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a happy 
medium for my body.  

  I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how 
much time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, 
and the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd been in a 
long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but 
it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits.  

  Hugs to all,
  Barbara A


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Janice <jan...@centurytel.net>
  To: Robert Pall <rp...@neillsupply.com>; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

  0A 
  Robert,
  I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it because 
of arthritis in my back.  Exercise done in water should
  not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think 
hard about moderation when you first begin and add
  more slowly.    Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get 
back in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon
  I hope.        Good luck.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Robert Pall 
    To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
    Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM
    Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!


            I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
            Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word "unsubscribe". When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM
    New topic: Exercise 
            Exercise….when is enough enough? 
            I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular 
routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am 
not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same 
mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I 
am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs 
feel w eighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of 
discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop 
exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly 
huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not 
certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even 
after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is 
due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later 
it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.
            My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the 
first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then 
all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda 
just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my 
routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.
            I will attempt to introduce "moderation" to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the 
thought20of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find 
that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel 
worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. 
            I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises 
works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr 
on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress 
moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying 
while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain.
            OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! 
    Rob in New Jersey 


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