[TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

[jandgtaylor1]

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote: > What I don't accept is Jesus being born with the spiritual > inheritance left to the rest of us by the first Adam after > his fall.   DavidM: Spiritual inheritance?  What is spiritual inheritance?  How is it transferred to us?  Where does the Bible teach "spiritual inheritance"?   Judy: Iniquity is a generational participation with sin bearing the same fruit. It shows up as inherited genetic disease and it shows up in a predisposition to personality characteristics such as molestation and doing crime, drugs, rage, anger, and fear.  When the Jews of the dispersion returned to Jerusalem and found the book of the law. They stood and listened to it being read all day, and after they agreed to get rid of their foreign wives, they confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers. (Nehemiah 9:2)   I wrote: > Jesus did not have Adam's genes -   DavidM: He most certainly did.  The Bible teaches that he was made of the woman (Gal. 4:4),   Judy: Born of the woman and born under the law (Gal 4:4); where do you get the idea the He was "MADE" of the woman?   DavidM: was made flesh (John 1:14, Romans 1:13),   Judy: Romans 1:13 says nothing about Jesus being "MADE" flesh; John 1:14 says the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory the glory of the ONLY begotten of the Father full of grace and truth. and Vs18 "No man has seen God at any time; the ONLY begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.  So Jesus was BEGOTTEN, not MADE.   DAVIDM: was begotten of Adam (Luke 3:22-38), and Jesus was truly, in truth, a mortal man being made the son of man (John 5:27, Luke 24:7).    Judy: The geneaogy in Luke 3:23-38 is through Joseph and we all know that Joseph was not the biological Father of Jesus - this does not make Him a son of the first Adam, he was born of the woman.   I wrote: > He was created in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit. > Is that too hard for God or is it just hard for > us to accept? He is not the fruit of any fallen > person's body. If God could create the first Adam > full grown, why is it so hard to accept that God > could create a baby in Mary's womb independent of > Mary?  Has science become our new god.   It is not too hard for God to have created Jesus this way, but such teaching is contrary to what the Bible teaches.  The Bible teaches that Jesus was made of a woman and truly became flesh like the rest of us. He was not some alien from outer space.  He was a mortal man just like the rest of us.   Judy: Yes he was mortal in the sense that he had a full range of emotions and he got hungry and had to rest but he was not born with the fallen bloodline the rest of us are heir to.   DavidM: Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise TOOK PART OF THE SAME; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily HE TOOK NOT ON HIM THE NATURE OF ANGELS; BUT HE TOOK ON HIM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM.  Wherefore IN ALL THINGS it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Hebrews 2:14-18 KJV)   Judy: Phil 2:6,7 explains how he is MADE like his brethren ie: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God but MADE HIMSELF of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death even the death of the cross" Yes He took flesh & blood upon Himself and every sin known to humanity on the cross at Calvary so I would say He knows about sin first hand.   "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, YET WITHOUT SIN (Hebrews 4:15) For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sin; who can have compassion on the ignorant and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity; and by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins" (Hebrews 5:1-3).  Conclusion: Jesus did not go beyond the veil with an offering for his own sin and He was not compassed with generational sin/infirmity.   DavidM: Believe the BIBLE, not the fairy tales told by the religious clergy.   Judy: TT are the only 'religious clergy' I presently hear fairy tales from, but I will accept your counsel on this point...   Grace and Peace, Judy