From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin wrote: >>> Ps 51:5 "in sin did my mother conceive me." >>> This is the purpose of the Virgin Birth that >>> Jesus would not inherit a sin nature. >>> He was not concieved in SIN you were!
DavidM: >> Your teaching here comes from Roman Catholicism. Judy wrote: > No the above isn't Roman Catholicism; they are the > ones who fabricated the 'Immaculate Conception' so > that Mary would not be able to pass down her sin > nature because according to them she didn't have one. DavidM: They fabricated the Immaculate Conception because in their effort to make Jesus not flesh they were cornered by the passages that showed Jesus being begotten of a woman. Judy: He wasn't "begotten of a woman" He was born of a women and begotten of God. DavidM: Therefore, they imagined the Immaculate Conception in order to keep their fantasy that Jesus was not really of the same flesh as the rest of us. Judy: And he wasn't of the same flesh as the rest of us. He was made in the "likeness" of man - not the same as.. and He limited Himself by laying aside the glory He had with the Father during His earthly ministry. What made him different is that he didn't have the same inheritance in the first Adam as us. I wrote: > My Bible says He was 'born of a woman and born > under the law' Big difference. Mary had nothing > to do with His making. He was begotten of God > and this is why the 'virgin birth' is important. DavidM: The Greek word translated "made" in the KJV and "born" in some of the modern translations is "ginomai." It is the same word used in Mat. 4:3 when Satan tempted Jesus to make stones into bread. He said, "command that these stones be MADE bread." It is the same word in 1 Cor. 15:45 where it says that the first man Adam was MADE a living soul. It is the same word in 21:42 translated as become, saying "the stone ... is become the head of the corner." Jesus was of the seed of David and of the seed of Mary. Judy wrote: > Apparently in human procreation it is the male sperm > that generates the blood DavidM: This is bogus. Somebody started repeating this lie again and again so that I hear it all the time but there is no biological truth to it. The blood develops from the mother, and it is genetically determined by both sperm and egg. Judy: The egg does nothing at all until united with sperm which comes from the father and blood begins to flow in the 3rd week before the heart begins to beat. No blood flows in an egg incubating all by itself because there is no life.... and the placenta protects the child with no blood passing between it and the mother. DavidM: This is an over-emphasis, as the placental barrier is not perfect and the sex of the child may actually be determined from taking a blood sample of the mother and testing the blood cells from the unborn found therein. Judy: Normally there is no blood interaction between mother and child. and today the sex of an unborn child is determined by ultrasound. Being RH- myself and having had four children I know how uncertain all of this is. Judy: > It is good to qualify by saying - 'based upon what > I know of the Bible...." nothing more can be made > of it. Because there is much more to it. DavidM: The point was that the "much more to it" is from extra-Biblical sources. I'm not faulting that, but trying to make sure we keep the authorities separate in our minds. Judy: Not necessarily - are you saying that you know all there is to know about scripture DavidM? Grace and Peace, Judy ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
