Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ

[Dave]

David Miller wrote: 2. Jesus is presented as a Judge, which means that Jesus casts people into hell. He does so from anger, from "the wrath of God." God is angry with the wicked and hates them, but Torrance claims that God continues to love them even when they "damn themselves." It is bogus to think that anyone in their right mind would choose damnation of hell. Consider the rich man in Luke 16. He didn't want to be in Hades. He begged for Abraham to allow Lazarus to go warn his brothers. If God had offered him a way out of there, he surely would have took it. To suggest that sinners choose hell and that God is such a sissy that he would never cast anyone into hell as a form of judgment makes a mockery out of Scripture. DAVEH:  I may have misunderstood something you said previously, DavidM.....or, I may have forgotten what you said.  I thought you implied that the judgment is to determine rewards that one receives after either going to heaven or hell.  IOW.....the judgment in itself does not determine whether one goes to heaven or hell.  Did I get that all screwed up? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.