Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:30:01 -0800

Ah.   Now I see.  Why the race?     Well,   i guess I should defer to Bill, although I think I understood the point.    
 
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From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?   
and it got a hearty laugh out of my otherwise demonical countenance. 
 
 
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:34:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
RACE.    What is that about?    ....how do you get a race out this?   I remain confused. 
 
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I know what you are commenting on JD;
However, Bill's statement is way out there someplace and has nothing at all to do with Hebrews 10:14
where this thread began.  Bill has gone from Greek verbs to some race none of which have anything to
do with 'being sanctified' as per Hebrews 10:14.  The 10th Chapter of Hebrews juxtaposes animal sacrifice
against the once for all sacrifice of Christ.  Now how do you get a race out this?  You are lost because you
are off on the same tangent as Bill.  judyt
 
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:56:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry , Judy,  you have lost me entirely.  I am committing on Bill's statement below and you are doing what  ??????   This is a great question:  Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?   and it got a hearty laugh out of my otherwise demonical countenance. 
 
 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
Your drift is incomprehensible JD and there is no "death blow" because FYI
Hebrews 10:14 does not refer to any race ... Oh what a tangled web we weave...
 
Vs.14 here relates to Hebrews 10:9,10 ie: "Then He (Jesus) said "Behold I have come
to do Your will, O God"  He takes away the first that He may establish the second.  By
that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all"
 
So where is this race......????
 
 
 
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:29:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not laughting at you , David,  but I am laughing at the quetion  !!!  
Out of compassion and reason comes the death blow   ----------------   if you get my drift.   :-)
 
jd 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor <wmtaylor@plains.net>
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Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:19:14 -0700
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You highlight the problem with leaving off the present passive aspect of this participle, David; hence loosing track of the unfinished- or incompleteness of it. Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?
 
Bill
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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:56 AM
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Bill wrote:
> Per this verse, it is our sanctification
> which is not yet complete.
 
How do you read this into the text?  Nothing in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is somehow incomplete.  Granted, our sanctification may be ongoing, but to argue that a present tense indicates incompleteness is going beyond what is indicated by this text.
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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From: Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Well actually, "by one offering" is a prepositional phrase and not the subject of the sentence. The third person singular aspect of teteleioken conveys the subject of the sentence: "he"; but I don't expect you to agree with that, and I certainly don't expect you to be able to understand it.
 
Nevertheless, nothing I have said should lead you to the conclusion that I believe the one offering is not complete. Per this verse, it is our sanctification which is not yet complete. But I don't expect you to understand that either.
 
Bill
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

The subject of the sentence 10:14 is the ONE OFFERING so Bill is saying it is "Not yet Complete"

Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com> wrote:
I don't speculate on all that Bill because in my understanding the active part of sanctification requires
the cooperation of the one being sanctified; the kind of cooperation an unbeliever would be unable to
give.
 
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:11:28 -0700 "Taylor" <wmtaylor@plains.net> writes:
That's fine, Judy, but who in this discussion has argued that to sanctify does not mean the same as to set apart? That is not even a point of contention. Do you agree that this participle in Heb 10.14 reflect a sanctification which is passive (i.e., the action is being performed by someone other than the subject) and not yet complete?  Bill
 
I have no idea what you are talking about Bill.  However I do understand Hebrews 10:14
and the word "sanctified" in this instance means "set apart" in the same way that an unbelieving
wife is "set apart" in 1 Cor 7:14 which is "set apart in the sense that she is become the object of
focus because of the faith and influence of her husband.  It would be impossible for her to be
sanctified in any other sense because she remains unregenerated and dead in her trespass and
sin.
 
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:50:27 -0700 "Taylor" <wmtaylor@plains.net> writes:
Fair enough. Do you accept the present passive thrust of this verb? My impression is that you do not.
 
Bill
 
Are you living in some kind of delusion Bill?
My understanding of that text remains the same as it was, so please let's deal with reality here
rather than presumption.  jt
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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