I just came to post the same thing. https://toofab.com/2020/06/20/joe-rogan-under-fire-laughing-sexually-harassing-women-resurfaced-clips/
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:44 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Posted without comment > > https://twitter.com/chemicalmishap/status/1273159524791259137?s=21 > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:15 AM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This was a lively talk with Bill Burr about the entertainment business >> and Hollywood accounting. >> >> https://youtu.be/eGsB7hE_cFo >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 7:21 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:21 PM Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I don't get why Spotify is making this deal because they aren't content >>>> originators and, unlike Stern and SiriusXM, I don't see how it will sell >>>> subscriptions. Still, in a world where NBC signed Megyn Kelly for $65 >>>> million with all of her baggage, this may not be such a shocking deal. >>>> >>>> >>> I think there's a two-part reason for this. >>> >>> Firstly, and most straightforwardly, Spotify gets a massive new >>> audience. For reasons that escape me (although that Atlantic article gives >>> a good explanation), millions listen. I assume a decent number of people >>> will continue to listen on the Spotify app even if they don't subscribe. >>> From my understanding Spotify isn't putting this behind a paywall, just >>> forcing you to use the app. But even if they don't get any new >>> subscriptions at all, Spotify can better monetise that audience than many >>> others because they have so much data on their users. They know your >>> demographics (you tell them when you sign up); they know when, where and >>> how much people are listening; they know all kinds of things that *regular* >>> podcast platforms don't know - podcast data is notoriously limited without >>> all the tracking data that most digital advertisers have on you. So Spotify >>> can offer more details to advertisers and more efficiently sell the >>> podcast. Reports seem to suggest that what Rogan gets paid will depend on >>> hitting targets. So on a purely commercial level, this may make sense for >>> Spotify for those reasons alone. >>> >>> But Spotify is also taking on the podcast industry. Their second motive >>> is to become closer to the default podcast platform. That helps their >>> overall business model - if you're listening to "free" podcasts, you're not >>> listening to "expensive" music. Somewhere around 60-65% of podcast >>> listening is currently via Apple podcasts despite Apple having 50% market >>> share of phones in the US, and less across the rest of the world. Spotify >>> wants in on that, and unlike Apple who hasn't been active in an area they >>> dominate, Spotify is spending a lot becoming a very solid #2. Exclusives >>> become a differentiator for them. >>> >>> I'm not a massive fan of this direction. If your podcast is not in my >>> podcast app of choice (Pocket Casts since you asked), I'm >>> significantly less likely to hear it. But I can understand the business >>> logic of it from Spotify's perspective. Up until now, I don't think that >>> there have been as many killer podcasts as podcasts businesses need. Many >>> podcasts are "replaceable." We've seen Luminary try this, with their >>> exclusive range of podcasts, but reports suggest that they're hemorrhaging >>> money. In part this is because you can probably find a sufficiently good >>> replacement for any podcast that moved behind the paywall, or otherwise >>> never heard their exclusives anyway. Serial might be an example of a killer >>> podcast. Or maybe The Daily. Something people would change behaviours to >>> still get access to. Even then, I'm not sure that the NYT would put The >>> Daily behind a subscription paywall when it's: a) profitable right now with >>> their listening figures, and b) acts a massive promotional tool to drive >>> those NYT subscriptions. They spread that messaging every single episode! >>> >>> Today there are more than 1,000,000 podcast series on iTunes. If my >>> favourite tech podcast moved behind a paywall, I might be a bit bummed, but >>> I could probably find a suitable replacement. Spotify is gambling that >>> Rogan's fans will follow him and there aren't a bunch of others like him - >>> or at least as "good" as what he does. It might work for him and Spotify. >>> But who else would it work for? I'm not sure. >>> >>> Disclaimer: I've never listened to him. I can't say that three podcasts >>> by *anyone* appeal to me. I only recently found out that he was the >>> presenter of Fear Factor which we did get in the UK. But I always found him >>> the most obnoxious thing on that, and that's saying something. Oh, and any >>> podcast that ever had or has Alex Jones on it, for any reason whatsoever, >>> is not a podcast I'm ever going to listen to. >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGDqcJPunqwBSr5CFENT6Gbmuf-60QHMHAkAwr3FOzF1_Q%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGDqcJPunqwBSr5CFENT6Gbmuf-60QHMHAkAwr3FOzF1_Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yyWtW-70cn1uxm%2BtaVHcGrcgSLAFgoKaLxJ9MVFytYZSA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yyWtW-70cn1uxm%2BtaVHcGrcgSLAFgoKaLxJ9MVFytYZSA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > Kevin M. 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