I also have long been critical of libertarians, but that is not my problem with Rogan. I find him to be irresponsible and cavalier towards issues that cause real harm. I can’t imagine anything that would make me want to listen to his podcast, regardless of how interesting the guest. Most guests worth hearing (liberal, conservative, libertarian or whatever) can be heard elsewhere. Again, I have no interest in trying to stop other people from listening to him if they want to.
Trump is the incumbent, that gives him an automatic advantage. It is more of an advantage for him, because he no doubt will try to use his power to improve his chances in irregular and even illegal ways. Four years ago the federal Government was actively trying to fight foreign interference in the US election, this time around it is likely to be welcoming it, if not outright cooperating and soliciting it. I don’t think Democrats should be doing any victory laps at this early stage, regardless of the polls. On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:04 AM Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 8:07 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In none of these scenarios can I see myself being interested in spending >> more than zero seconds listening to a Joe Rogan. >> >> I’m surprised they think the Dem Clean Sweep is most likely. And I think >> it is extremely unlikely the Dems take the Senate and lose the WH. >> >> I expect any outcome that includes Biden winning to result in a real >> struggle within the GOP, perhaps with C-R Republicans becoming a force >> again, or perhaps with the emergence of a new C-R party. >> >> I don’t expect the hard core 33% or so of the country explicitly >> dedicated to the racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia of Trump to >> become kinder and gentler, so there will continue to be a market for the >> likes of Rogan. But a Trump loss would make the more pragmatic, less >> explicitly racisty part of the party look for a way to re-brand themselves. >> >> I’m not exactly optimistic, because I think even now Trump’s channels of >> winning are not much worse than they were at this point 4 years ago, and >> things are likely to get better for him as We get closer to November. >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYK2VD7UqRUD4uh0M_XdJKsANvN7BAyNY5rc2FXmn93UZg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> > > The point with Rogan isn't whether you listen to him. If his audience gets > large enough he enters the mainstream and his voice and ideas echo into > mass media conversation. As the mass audience dissolves through > fragmentation it takes a much smaller audience to build critical mass. > > Rogan isn't a self identified right winger and his show isn't specifically > right wing like Rush or the syndicated AM radio talk shows. Rogan > identifies as a libertarian and he's open to all viewpoints from his > guests. He prefers guests from out of the mainstream and he's had guests > from the left as well as from the right. I have had a problem with > libertarians going back 40+ years because their ideal society makes sense > only from a place of privilege - if you're doing well in life you can do > better without the constraints of government. But for people not doing > well, even if the reasons are unfair or out of their control, there's no > government or public sector to offer any help. And Rogan provides no filter > or moral pushback to his guests when they go off the rails or talk in a way > that is directly hurtful or even harmful to people. > > Throughout the twentieth century the political parties were more > geographically divided and ideologically mixed. There were large numbers of > liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats and they could run the > country by hammering out compromises. Going into this century the > Republicans became a more coherent top-down party while the Democrats > remained a coalition of different movements. The Republicans started to > enforce ideological purity by calling moderates RINOs and with the Tea > Party movement, bringing zealots into the leadership. Then they turned > compromise into a taboo for their party. A post-election analysis of the > party showed that they could only grow by attracting immigrants and people > of color into the party and the leadership responded by turning against > both. They openly say their future is through restricting the franchise by > voter suppression. If Trump loses none of these trends reverses in the > short term. There is going to have to be grass roots and donor pressure to > oust the current leadership and bring in a new generation. > > Trump's chances of winning are different from 4 years ago because he has a > record and has to campaign in an environment where he has stayed at around > 40% popularity. 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