On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > I’m not complaining, as I welcome a full range of views and interests on > this list, but just saying: the energy it has taken me to notice and scroll > past the last few Joe Rogan posts is more energy than I have spent over the > last ten years on anything to do with him, and more than he is worth. >
You’ll appreciate this tweet https://twitter.com/smorgasboredom/status/1274124416499187713?s=21 > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:35 AM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I just came to post the same thing. >> >> https://toofab.com/2020/06/20/joe-rogan-under-fire-laughing-sexually-harassing-women-resurfaced-clips/ >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:44 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Posted without comment >>> >>> https://twitter.com/chemicalmishap/status/1273159524791259137?s=21 >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:15 AM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This was a lively talk with Bill Burr about the entertainment business >>>> and Hollywood accounting. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/eGsB7hE_cFo >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 7:21 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:21 PM Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't get why Spotify is making this deal because they aren't >>>>>> content originators and, unlike Stern and SiriusXM, I don't see how it >>>>>> will >>>>>> sell subscriptions. Still, in a world where NBC signed Megyn Kelly for >>>>>> $65 >>>>>> million with all of her baggage, this may not be such a shocking deal. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I think there's a two-part reason for this. >>>>> >>>>> Firstly, and most straightforwardly, Spotify gets a massive new >>>>> audience. For reasons that escape me (although that Atlantic article gives >>>>> a good explanation), millions listen. I assume a decent number of people >>>>> will continue to listen on the Spotify app even if they don't subscribe. >>>>> From my understanding Spotify isn't putting this behind a paywall, just >>>>> forcing you to use the app. But even if they don't get any new >>>>> subscriptions at all, Spotify can better monetise that audience than many >>>>> others because they have so much data on their users. They know your >>>>> demographics (you tell them when you sign up); they know when, where and >>>>> how much people are listening; they know all kinds of things that >>>>> *regular* >>>>> podcast platforms don't know - podcast data is notoriously limited without >>>>> all the tracking data that most digital advertisers have on you. So >>>>> Spotify >>>>> can offer more details to advertisers and more efficiently sell the >>>>> podcast. Reports seem to suggest that what Rogan gets paid will depend on >>>>> hitting targets. So on a purely commercial level, this may make sense for >>>>> Spotify for those reasons alone. >>>>> >>>>> But Spotify is also taking on the podcast industry. Their second >>>>> motive is to become closer to the default podcast platform. That helps >>>>> their overall business model - if you're listening to "free" podcasts, >>>>> you're not listening to "expensive" music. Somewhere around 60-65% of >>>>> podcast listening is currently via Apple podcasts despite Apple having 50% >>>>> market share of phones in the US, and less across the rest of the world. >>>>> Spotify wants in on that, and unlike Apple who hasn't been active in an >>>>> area they dominate, Spotify is spending a lot becoming a very solid #2. >>>>> Exclusives become a differentiator for them. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a massive fan of this direction. If your podcast is not in my >>>>> podcast app of choice (Pocket Casts since you asked), I'm >>>>> significantly less likely to hear it. But I can understand the business >>>>> logic of it from Spotify's perspective. Up until now, I don't think that >>>>> there have been as many killer podcasts as podcasts businesses need. Many >>>>> podcasts are "replaceable." We've seen Luminary try this, with their >>>>> exclusive range of podcasts, but reports suggest that they're hemorrhaging >>>>> money. In part this is because you can probably find a sufficiently good >>>>> replacement for any podcast that moved behind the paywall, or otherwise >>>>> never heard their exclusives anyway. Serial might be an example of a >>>>> killer >>>>> podcast. Or maybe The Daily. Something people would change behaviours to >>>>> still get access to. Even then, I'm not sure that the NYT would put The >>>>> Daily behind a subscription paywall when it's: a) profitable right now >>>>> with >>>>> their listening figures, and b) acts a massive promotional tool to drive >>>>> those NYT subscriptions. They spread that messaging every single episode! >>>>> >>>>> Today there are more than 1,000,000 podcast series on iTunes. If my >>>>> favourite tech podcast moved behind a paywall, I might be a bit bummed, >>>>> but >>>>> I could probably find a suitable replacement. Spotify is gambling that >>>>> Rogan's fans will follow him and there aren't a bunch of others like him - >>>>> or at least as "good" as what he does. It might work for him and Spotify. >>>>> But who else would it work for? I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: I've never listened to him. I can't say that three >>>>> podcasts by *anyone* appeal to me. I only recently found out that he was >>>>> the presenter of Fear Factor which we did get in the UK. But I always >>>>> found >>>>> him the most obnoxious thing on that, and that's saying something. Oh, and >>>>> any podcast that ever had or has Alex Jones on it, for any reason >>>>> whatsoever, is not a podcast I'm ever going to listen to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGDqcJPunqwBSr5CFENT6Gbmuf-60QHMHAkAwr3FOzF1_Q%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGDqcJPunqwBSr5CFENT6Gbmuf-60QHMHAkAwr3FOzF1_Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yyWtW-70cn1uxm%2BtaVHcGrcgSLAFgoKaLxJ9MVFytYZSA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yyWtW-70cn1uxm%2BtaVHcGrcgSLAFgoKaLxJ9MVFytYZSA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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