> The only way to guarantee business level data integrity in 
non-transactional 
> applications is to force all users off the system briefly while you do 
steps 
> 1 - 3.

That's a good point.  However, it's important to have a controlled way to 
do so.  I've had people think they were safe to just log everybody off. Of 
course, there's no way to ensure you're not doing *that* in the middle of 
a transaction. ;-)

Much worse, I've even had people with good intentions of getting everybody 
off of the system so they could have stable backups.  How did they do it? 
With stopud -f or by doing a kill -9 on each user.  Either one could 
create a mess at least as bad as backing up hot, since processes are not 
terminated cleanly.  Actually, the mess could be worse with the 
unconditional kill methods, since they could result in corruption of the 
live database files, while backing up hot only impacts the backup copy. 
And if you do that while running RFS, head for the hills.

Tim Snyder
Consulting I/T Specialist
U2 Lab Services
Information Management, IBM Software Group
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