MASTER OFF ALL on Universe.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:40 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse and Shadow copy on Windows 2003

So, what is the best way to log users off cleanly in mass?  You
certainly can't depend on users to log off for themselves.  Asking,
begging, threatening....none of that works.  I know for certain if I log
in at 03:00, there will be 15 to 20 users still logged in, even though
the building has been empty for hours.

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Sometimes I wake up grumpy.  Other times I let her sleep.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Timothy Snyder
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:09 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse and Shadow copy on Windows 2003
> 
> > The only way to guarantee business level data integrity in
> non-transactional 
> > applications is to force all users off the system briefly 
> while you do
> steps 
> > 1 - 3.
> 
> That's a good point.  However, it's important to have a 
> controlled way to do so.  I've had people think they were 
> safe to just log everybody off. Of course, there's no way to 
> ensure you're not doing *that* in the middle of a transaction. ;-)
> 
> Much worse, I've even had people with good intentions of 
> getting everybody off of the system so they could have stable 
> backups.  How did they do it? 
> With stopud -f or by doing a kill -9 on each user.  Either 
> one could create a mess at least as bad as backing up hot, 
> since processes are not terminated cleanly.  Actually, the 
> mess could be worse with the unconditional kill methods, 
> since they could result in corruption of the live database 
> files, while backing up hot only impacts the backup copy. 
> And if you do that while running RFS, head for the hills.
> 
> Tim Snyder
> Consulting I/T Specialist
> U2 Lab Services
> Information Management, IBM Software Group
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