Tim, I asked for guidance with the videos. Anyway, it's not relevant anymore.
Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll. I am unsubscribing from the mailing list and will not be able to reply. Please don't CC me with any more person insults. Regards, *Charlie* Regards, *Charlie* On 1 August 2015 at 10:10, Charlie Moss <char...@charliemoss.com> wrote: > I asked for guidance with the videos. Anyway, it's not relevant anymore. > > Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll. I > have left the mailing list, so please don't CC me with anymore person > insults. > > Regards, > > *Charlie* > > > > On 1 August 2015 at 09:55, Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> >> >> On 01/08/15 18:03, Charlie Moss wrote: >> > Well, I hope you are right. I think new members need guidance rather >> than leaving things to their own initiative, but I could be wrong. >> > >> > Good luck with the project. If you need any help from someone without >> graphical or programming skills, please email me directly as I'm >> > unsubscribing from these lists. >> I already told you that we would love to have a short series of videos >> introducing ubuntu GNOME/gnome-shell, but you completely ignored that >> response apparently. >> >> Though guess you are just trolling, we have gone so long without trolls >> on the lists and then 2 in a week. Next one to try that will be booted >> off into the Hobbit land with the real trolls! >> > >> > Regards, >> > * >> > * >> > *Charlie* >> > >> > >> > >> > On 1 August 2015 at 07:52, Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto: >> dark...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 31/07/15 21:10, Charlie Moss wrote: >> > > If you find the system works, stay with it. But don't stay with >> something just because A, B & C are using it, as B maybe be staying with it >> > > because you, A & C are using it, C maybe be staying with it >> because you, A & B are using it, etc. >> > You seem to missing the bit where A,B and C need to communicate >> with each other, on IRC I can contact anyone I need from any of those >> > previously >> > mentioned teams, the only struggle really is my timezone! I don't >> have to find/signup/load a different proprietry chat platform for each >> > different team. >> > > >> > > I forget the 'phases of progress', basically they are.... >> outrage, protest, acceptance, contentment (something like that). Gnome, >> > itself, is >> > > a fine example of this. >> > > >> > > For me, a new member in any group is gold. There should be a >> system of 'Befriending'. An old member is connected with a new member to >> > befriend >> > > them, guide them, make them feel welcomed, connect them with >> other members, assess their abilities and ultimately allocate them a roll >> they >> > > will enjoy and be suited to. IMHO, this is how to build a >> community. But again, if your present system is working well, then stay >> with it. >> > We are not here to hand hold you through the process, most people >> work on things that interest them, we don't just stuff tasks down there >> > throats. Better you would use some initiative and contact the team >> leader for whatever team you were interested in. >> > > >> > > I'm not here to make waves or criticize. 100 people looking at a >> single painting will see 100 different scenes, yet each of the 100 believes >> > > there is only painting and therefore there can only be one >> perspective. >> > > >> > > According to the survey, there are over 200 people ready to >> contribute. Hopefully, they can all help bring 3.18 to 15.04. >> > That won't happen, 200 anonymous people said they would contribute, >> how many do you really think would, and how many actually have the >> > development/packaging skills to make 3.18 happen? Its a month until >> Feature Freeze we can't even train people up that fast if they were >> > really keen. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *Charlie* >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 31 July 2015 at 10:43, Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto: >> dark...@fastmail.fm> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm >> > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 31/07/15 19:12, Charlie Moss wrote: >> > > > Thank you for your feedback. It has become clear to me over >> the past few weeks that I am not suited to contribute to an Ubuntu >> > community. My >> > > > enthusiasm to give back to Ubuntu Gnome has not changed, I >> simply find the system of communication, IRC and Mailing Lists, totally >> > > ineffective >> > > > and inefficient. >> > > IRC is a little antiquated protocol, but it works great for >> real time conversations, and all open source teams use this, red hat, >> > Canonical, >> > > debian, gnome, mozilla etc,. Similar goes for the mailing >> lists, and I do agree finding the old history can be a little hard, but you >> > > should be >> > > able to dig it out with some google foo! >> > > >> > > IRC and mailing lists are the standard tools of the open >> source world. Do you really think you can change the entire universe on >> that? >> > > > >> > > > It is nearly impossible for a new person to get involved, >> as a topic's timeline is often divided when emails are forked, plus it >> > is easy to >> > > > miss a message when they are inserted into the text of the >> previous email, making catch up very time-consuming. I'm sure if I >> > suggested >> > > using >> > > > 'Slack' I would be ignored or receive a list of reasons why >> it was not suitable, but for me, video communication like Hangouts and >> > threaded >> > > > text communication like Slack are presently the most >> effective systems of collaboration. >> > > Its not impossible, just ask someone, I'm sure they will >> point you to past discussions! >> > > >> > > You say slack, someone else wants telegram, and then next we >> know there a people wanting to use a dozen different propriety >> > platforms, that is >> > > never going to work. How many upstreams are on slack? >> probably 0, sure this becomes less relevant for the community teams, but >> still you >> > > should >> > > get the point. Using IRC and mailing lists as an excuse for >> not contributing seems a little lame. The artwork team are on slack or >> > telegram >> > > (forget which) and other sub teams are free to do that also >> if they wish, but I can't see a day where all our comms switch over to slack >> > > > >> > > > Good luck to you all. I looking forward to October and the >> release of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10. I hope it will have Gnome 3.18 as this >> > is clearly >> > > > more important to users than 100% stability. If a user >> requires 100% stability, then they must remain with the LTS. >> > > 3.18 won't happen in 15.10, unless by some miracle we double >> our development team.... >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > * >> > > > * >> > > > *Charlie* >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 30 July 2015 at 08:01, Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto: >> dark...@fastmail.fm> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm >> > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto: >> dark...@fastmail.fm> >> > > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>>>> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 29/07/15 21:29, Charlie Moss wrote: >> > > > > Cool, I'll be there. >> > > > > >> > > > > (Tim/Darkxst. 'Contribute' may seem so clear and >> simple to you but to me, as some new to such a community, it doesn't.) >> > > > There is no clear cut definition of 'contribute' and it >> largely depends on which team you are interested in. Most teams you >> > can just >> > > join and >> > > > discuss your intests/ideas on their relevant list. >> Anyway you seem to have been fairly active on the mailing lists so that is >> > a good >> > > start! >> > > > Sorry I missed you original thread about video docs, I >> will reply to that now. >> > > > >> > > > Tim >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards, >> > > > > * >> > > > > * >> > > > > *Charlie* >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On 29 July 2015 at 11:53, Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm >> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm >> > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto: >> dark...@fastmail.fm> >> > > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>>> >> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm> >> > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>> >> > > > <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm> >> <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm <mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On 29/07/15 20:22, Charlie Moss wrote: >> > > > > > I know that I am not part of the core team (or >> any team as I have not found the secret entrance yet) so will not be >> > invited to >> > > > this meeting. >> > > > > All our meetings are public if you want to >> attend, then just do that, no invite needed. as for the secret entrance to >> > get into the >> > > > sub-teams, >> > > > > its simple contribute! >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> > > > > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> >> > > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> >> > > > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>>> >> > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> > > > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> >> > > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>> >> > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> > > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto: >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> >> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> > >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >
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