On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 23:28 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You clearly missed the lesson on whitespace, and actually using the > enter key. Please go back and learn it, because your posts are very > painful to read otherwise - to the point where people just ignore them. > > And i suspect you'd do well to read this: > http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/ > > I can't really see the point in making any other comments, not only due > to the lack of readability of the mail, other than to reiterate the > suggestion of reading the above article. > > Hobbsee > > Jeremy Anderson wrote: > > > > Melissa had directed me to this study also. Thank you both for sending > > me to the site. I have finally read the documents on this and I have to > > say that I have more understanding of what you are talking about but the > > study has a lot of flaws. First off out of the industry there are very, > > very few people that would cooperate in a study like this. Many because > > they are just too darn busy. So, IMHO, I don't think think the numbers > > could ever be right. Second, because I have been in this industry for > > as long as I have I have seen many many many women excel and love the > > industry. Have they had some difficulties with a minority of "asses" > > that may be educated in technology? Surely.... but educated in the > > technology doesn't mean educated in morality. All of the great minded > > women that I have dealt with have said that they give very little > > thought to it because these are close minded people and know matter how > > hard you fight the system and them they will more than likely not ever > > change. There are too many good minded people in the industry to make > > the minority be a problem to them. What point am I making. No matter > > how many studies or how well you know what you are doing there is always > > going to be someone that doesn't get it. Back to my original > > e-mails.... These close minded people have no power over someone that > > knows who they are. Male or female. Are there going to be more women > > move toward technology? Maybe, maybe not. Do I want there to be? > > Anyone that is qualified to do the job at hand has my thumbs up. If > > they are not quite qualified but have the intention to be, they get a > > thumbs up. The ones that saturate this market with half heartedness, > > that I think is plaguing the industry, should be targeted and relieved > > of there positions. Most of the people that women are dealing with in > > the issue we are discussing come from this group of people. Why? > > Because they know they don't know what they should and feel better by > > trying to bring down their peers. I have more to say on this but I > > really need to work. I will read the documents from the study again in > > case I missed something. Just remember before you flame me. I am for > > women growing in this industry... > > > > Jeremy > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFG1CMb7/o1b30rzoURAsQzAJ9XXrAyj/mcTUgKxoYTKwFjo4RmcgCdEQYT > jJlpWJPc8j9hW4vFQ6acXSQ= > =7mMJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thank you for sending me to that site. This gave me some good insight. Just so you know most of my e-mails go through proof reading by female individuals before I send. So, they are probably scared of me and don't want to tell me that I am not correct. So, I will STFU because the best way to live life in this day and age is to squelch what you are saying if the subject gets too rough. I would like to find a solution to the problem and that is why I was being outspoken on the subject. I find though that the only ones to be able to solve it must be women, because the men should STFU. Thanks for listening... I will officially sign off on this subject and turn it over to my wife and female friends. Jeremy
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