>> Citrix Client run on a lot of OS including iphone/iPad. If the OS >> runs on a specific HW, then the Citrix Client runs on it. > Great, take your calculator and compare Citrix Licence cost + > Thinclient cost + remote OS cost + ThinClient Managament tools
Yeah and do the same on your Solaris SunRay Software License: 196$ 1 concurrent User license? Not cheap eather... I don't have a real TCO calculation on the actual License cost which compare citrix vs. Sun Ray. But I don't have to. I trust the Kollective Knowledge. Some of them have calculated and decided to buy not the cheapest but the one with the better price/service balance. Citrix is Market-Leader and thats a fact! >> You can setup Chip-Card Access on Citrix too. Follow me Sessions >> where on Citrix in MetaFrame XP 8 years ago... > Probably, but not Citrix native, certainly a third party HW as usual, > with its own "ThinClient" matrix compatibility matrix, and Card > compatibiltiy matrix ... just adding some complexity You may name it complexity and i name it flexibility. Yes it was a 3rd Parity HW-Vendor. What's the Problem with it? They are highly specialiced in Authentication with chipcard, biometric-reader or whatever... Are there sun ray clients covering this? >> Screens aren't relevant. > Yes they are. Talk to a trader. Talk to a developper. Talk to a CAD > designer. Talk to someone who is supervising monitor tools. Come on... Citrix supports more than one screen. And in the actual Version of Presentation Server the max. Resolution was increased again and depends on the memory given to a session. Therefore I said it's not relevant. >> You need Apps (the success of iPhone). Citrix has puplished apps >> for years. You can run the apps independent on which Server the app >> is presented. >> > Yes, and more specifically independant from the Desktop :) that's the > idea of Sun Ray. Buy the way, There is a Citrix Agent Client for > Solaris, compatible with Sun Ray. ah that's the way you wanna go... Sun's Sun Ray as a Thin Client itself. Yes for sure they might be good. And I think of good managability like firmware and client software... but I didn't make good expirence with thin clients. If your HW-Vendor decide to not deliver new Client Access Software for this kind of thin-Client (EOLifeCycle) you're busted, even if the client would be strong enough to achieve the business-Need. >>> And what is cool is that you take take over your session from outside >>> the company with the Sun Desktop Access Client (SDAC), on a desktop >>> or a laptop. >> all available on Citrix too - no leading technology, sorry! >> > Wrong. is there any Think Client built and supported by Citrix > including a card reader ? Why? Take a vendor of your choice and a reader of your choice. Compete yourself and choose sun ray client with your mentioned Citrix Agent Client or whatever... But the fact is you have the choice! With Choice you have the needed flexibility to best match your business need. >>> Need to access Linux OS from Sun Ray ? Choose Sun Ray Server Software >>> for RHEL or SLES >> On an Application presented by Citrix like VNC or xMing you can >> connect to each XServer - without additional Software installed. >> The Network between the Servers should be very fast. Commonly on >> the same Subnet. >> > Great, you pointed out the weak point of citrix: bandwidth. > Read this http://blogs.sun.com/ThinGuy/entry/sun_ray_bandwidth yes, Posted on: Dec 03, 2005... what's the actual year again? 2010? Citrix pushed extremly on compress algorythm of multimedia-streams like flash, video etc. since Presentation Server 4. Citrix also has application acceleration provided by NetScaler. >>> Need access on a mobile ? Sorry, that's not the target of Sun Ray. >> Why not? Do you still believe in Standard >> Client-/Server-Infrastrukture as defined 10 or 15 years ago?? knock >> knock ... wake up Neo! >> The range of client devices are changing. If you can't grant access >> from such devices you can't sell your products. >> > Well, there are still people working in offices. The mobile is not > everything. Did you write this post from your mobile ? I dont' know > anyone doing serious software developement from a mobile, nor > reading/writing technical content from a mobile. Sitdown and continue > working. yeah i know you know your customers. What about doctors with tablets in their hands with highly secure access to their patients? What about all this Logistic-Workers accessing, updating DataWareHouse informations? Just to mention a few... They are using different Client Devices with very small Screens (not a lot!) And now it comes in place again where i said the screens arent relevant. It's relevant how efficient you use your screen. With a highly optimized Application used with published Application (not published Desktop) you can handle this. Is it possible to access only an Applications Windows with Sun Ray Server? >>> The target is to have a enterprise Lightweight Desktop. But, if you need to >>> access your desktop/applications from a browser (Mobile Java based), >>> it's still possible with SSGD (Sun Secure Global Desktop). >> Java became faster... but the GUI still sucks! And JVM needs a lot >> of memory these days! Possibly too hungry for mobile devices. >> > hello, did you hear about JavaFX. Are you connected to the internet ? now you've hardly hit me. Yes i know javaFX. And I ask you back... could you tell me just one killer app based on javaFX? No? javaFX is new and still not widely-used. but perhaps you could show me/us really eye-candy javaFX apps. >> And if you compare the price of your Lightweight Desktop (700$ >> upward) with a strong FAT-Client for the same or cheaper Price - >> why should i buy less when i can get more? (For example mac mini, >> same starting price) >> > I encourage you to read and understand > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_cost_of_ownership Oh you can be sure that i know what TCO means... > So, you said it's cheap with 700$ per desktop. > And what about the yearly salary of the team who is managing all that > stuff to deploying/patching/replacing/upgrade ? plus all the > licences/support to upgrade BIOS/EFI ? plus the tools to apply SW > patches ? anti-virus deployment ? security fixes ? integrating new > "motherboards" ? are there in the 700$ ? No, but even in the 700$ of your Sun Ray Client not. But an Enterprice often has a heterogenous Infrastructure (Fat- and Thin Client). Or would you tell me, that a Thin Client Only Enterprise could exist? And if you maintain a Client Server Infrastructure you have to pay the salary of the people managing this. And don't forget, that single components of fat clients (yes, the mac mini can't!) could be changed to fix hardware-failure. On a thin Client you cant. But a Fat-Client could be a thin client, but a thinClient can't be a fat client. Standard Hardware has a big impact on TCO. Cheaper purchase (greater quantity) and less education-cost (one hardware type). >> Sorry for representing the position of Citrix and argueing against >> sun's competing solution. I try to stay objective. Sun had it's >> strenght/leading on a lot of products but lost market share and >> it's leading position on several products. >> >> They are still leading on some products. I hope Oracle knows and >> focus on them and release the rest to OpenSource. > This is another story. But don't forget, Open doesn't mean free. yes it depends on the license... hopefully GPL-License... >> The Time will show what will happen... until then, keep your eyes >> and your mind open. > Same to you :) I'm still trying to open yours :-D Cheers G?rald
