Before saying anything else, let me clarify that I don't disagree with this sentiment.
The big question seems to be what is the "clue" that everyone wishes the PMC has? Personally, I now disagree with the whole model and doubt any redemption for it. Even if there were perfect people on the PMC (which is clearly impossible, and the current PMC is mostly made up of attempts to do anything to get as many people involved as possible): when there is no design to implement to and the scope is not very narrowly defined it is impossible to keep everyone happy. That's why most ASF projects are not like OFBiz with broad scope and business focus and a lot of design to be done, they are generally implementations of public specifications. Is that the clue? Maybe a better question is: what is the dream world people think they are going to find here? Why is anyone surprised? Well, for those interested the model I'm going for now is quite different, see the "Model: License? Resources?" section on the www.moqui.org web site. That said, I mentioned above that I don't disagree with the sentiment. However, I think it is presented in a piss poor way by everyone who is acting like a whining little child here. Get a life. If it's a big deal to you then solve the problem and stop complaining and whining. Get a grip on reality. There are all sorts of things you could do about this that don't require trying to push the project. Anyone could grab the old theme and post it to any of dozens of free hosting places, or just on a wiki page or Jira issue. People could even collaborate to reduce the burden on any individual. This isn't rocket science. This is what is so ridiculous. Almost no one cares about handling general needs over specific ones and keeping things flexible. Almost no one cares about what anyone else needs. And why should it be any different? Those who think things should be a certain or another just want a free ride and won't lift a finger beyond childish complaints and personal attacks to get anything done. This sort of situation is EXACTLY what should be expected in this model. Still, there are solutions to all of this and rewards for those creative and hard-working enough to get them done. There is pretty much always a solution once the real problem is confessed. There's also a market out there for pretty much anything related to this, since currently there aren't many people using some sort of violence to stop any of this. That's the beauty of the real world. -David On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Yeah you do...live in a vacuum. IMHO and experience the PMC does live in a > vacuum. As the saying goes...you guys "don't have a clue". > Just my 2 cents. > Ruth > > On 1/20/11 9:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> That's not true. Every change is discussed and debated. >> >> The OFBiz developers and the PMC don't live in a vacuum - they have >> production systems to maintain. It is silly to think they would not consider >> those production systems when proposing changes. >> >> -Adrian >> >> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> wrote: >>> you will find that the ofbiz >>> developer group first priority is to change >>> before considering the effect on production systemm using >>> offbiz. >>> something I lobby against, but has little effect. >>> so I have a system to accomplish this regardless of what >>> they do. >>> >>> >>> ========================= >>> BJ Freeman >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>> >>> >>> Mike sent the following on 1/20/2011 3:38 PM: >>>> But why delete it? Alot of folks learned ofbiz >>> on flatgrey, and their >>>> employees are used to it. At least keep it >>> around as flatgrey_old. >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Adrian Crum<adri...@hlmksw.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> That theme was starting to look old, so the >>> developer community decided to >>>>> update it. >>>>> >>>>> If you prefer the old version of the theme, you >>> are welcome to replace the >>>>> new one with it. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> On 1/20/2011 3:21 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>> I just loaded trunk and discovered that the >>> normal flatgrey theme has >>>>>> been completely redefined. What >>> happened? I thought it was actually >>>>>> the best theme that was very well >>> organized. Is there a way to get it >>>>>> back? >>>>>> >>> >> >> >>
