What utter rubbish, almost every time I want to make a non-trivial change the first thing I do is write an email to the dev list to gain input. Plenty of other committers do the exact same thing. If you feel you need proof of this then it wouldn't be difficult to give you examples.
Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 22/01/2011, at 7:41 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Ryan: > Get real. Not a single commiter (with the exception of Jacques and BJ - who > isn't a commiter - I don't think) listens to anyone from the outside. > Personally, I stand by my other comment: "You guys don't have a clue". > > Here's another saying that I find useful: "If its not broke, don't fix it". > That means that just because something is 10 years old, it is not necessarily > obsolete. > > Best Regards, > Ruth > > On 1/21/11 4:33 AM, Ryan Foster wrote: >> While I appreciate the spirited debate, where were these voices over two >> weeks ago when Adrian and I can began working on refreshing the theme (and >> that is what it was, not a redesign, not a new theme, not a complete >> overhaul. We changed the header and footer, and made a few CSS changes - >> that's it). This wasn't done in a vacuum and it wasn't done without >> discussion and debate. We didn't get together in some secret back-room deal >> and decide "Hey let's get rid of Flat Grey and piss everyone off". >> >> Adrian proposed updating the theme to the mailing list back on the 29th of >> December, asked for feedback, suggestions and participation, and we went to >> work. if you ask me, 24 days is a really big "vacuum" for a couple of CSS >> changes. Also, if you look at the JIRA issue >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092, there were 9 screenshots >> and 8 separate patches posted between the 4th and the 14th of January. >> Anyone could have grabbed those and monitored the progress. >> >> I agree that there should be backwards compatibility, I agree that there >> should stability, but for heaven's sake, it's just a theme. Simply blindly >> following a backwards compatibility mantra gives you outdated, useless >> software that was cutting edge 10 years ago, but is now the butt of >> developer jokes... I'm looking at you IE6. >> >> >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >> ryanlfoster.com >> >> On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Yeah you do...live in a vacuum. IMHO and experience the PMC does live in a >>> vacuum. As the saying goes...you guys "don't have a clue". >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> Ruth >>> >>> On 1/20/11 9:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> That's not true. Every change is discussed and debated. >>>> >>>> The OFBiz developers and the PMC don't live in a vacuum - they have >>>> production systems to maintain. It is silly to think they would not >>>> consider those production systems when proposing changes. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> wrote: >>>>> you will find that the ofbiz >>>>> developer group first priority is to change >>>>> before considering the effect on production systemm using >>>>> offbiz. >>>>> something I lobby against, but has little effect. >>>>> so I have a system to accomplish this regardless of what >>>>> they do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike sent the following on 1/20/2011 3:38 PM: >>>>>> But why delete it? Alot of folks learned ofbiz >>>>> on flatgrey, and their >>>>>> employees are used to it. At least keep it >>>>> around as flatgrey_old. >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Adrian Crum<adri...@hlmksw.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That theme was starting to look old, so the >>>>> developer community decided to >>>>>>> update it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you prefer the old version of the theme, you >>>>> are welcome to replace the >>>>>>> new one with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/20/2011 3:21 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>> I just loaded trunk and discovered that the >>>>> normal flatgrey theme has >>>>>>>> been completely redefined. What >>>>> happened? I thought it was actually >>>>>>>> the best theme that was very well >>>>> organized. Is there a way to get it >>>>>>>> back? >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
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