When someone is telling you that you are going in the wrong direction, a good answer is not "Help me go faster".
On 3/23/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Jonathan, I can't seem to find your patch to fix the website anywhere > in > >> bugzilla. Can you point me to it? > > > > James, I understand that this is some kind of attempt at sarcasm. The > > problem is that you're obviously not really thinking about what you're > > saying. > > Oh, maybe you are right. What I really meant to say is "put up or shut > up". > The only excuse for not helping is not knowing how or not having > time. And > we have the "how" covered under the FAQ link, and since you are obviously > a > very successful part of Freemarker, I doubt this fits you. So, again, why > have you not offerred to help explain things better? Did you just come > here > to complain? > > Trust me, your complaints do not affect the compensation I get from the > ASF. > I am richly rewarded for my contributions. In fact, I still get dividends > from time to time. Just the other day I got an email from someone > thanking > me for helping with a particularly difficult issue they had struggled with > until Google landed them on a response I had made a few months back, which > helped them get to a solution much faster than they would have on their > own. > That's my currency. > > > > Let's try to deconstruct what you're saying implicitly: > > > > A potential user hits your website and cannot, on the basis of the text > > there, understand what the product is or does. > > I see, so you speak for EVERYONE now, correct? > > > You seem to be suggesting that this very same individual should offer a > > patch to fix this issue. > > That's not what I said. > > You claim that someone who hits the website cannot understand what the > product is or does. How can you claim this unless you actually DO > understand what it is and therefore it must be confusing for someone who > doesn't. Do you see the difference? > > Furthermore, for you to even suggest that this is confusing means that you > actually do care about what people think about Struts. Am I wrong? If > not, > then why have you only offerred criticism and not a patch? > > > > > Or in other words: > > > > The "bug" that a person reports is that the text on a website is > basically > > incomprehensible. He doesn't understand what you're talking about. So he > > offers a patch so that *HE* now will understand WTF *YOU* are talking > > about. > > See above explanation. > > > > > Do you see the basis for Monty Python skit here? > > To use your own words, "Well, yeah... blah blah". > > > > > Look, James, obviously it is up to the Struts people to explain clearly > > what their product is. > > No, it isn't. As Ted and others have explain NUMEROUS times in the past. > We are here to scratch an itch!!!!! We are here to build the software > that > WE want to use for OUR projects. It just so happens that a few of us > spend > some extra time on documentation. We are NOT obligated to do so. If I'm > wrong, then I must have missed that section in the ASF guidelines or > bylaws. > > Maybe if we were JBoss Inc. or Spring21 we might have paid staff to keep > the > docs all prettified and such. > > > > > Henri asked me specifically to say what my criticism of the website was > > and I answered the question. I just said that you have to reconsider the > > audience that the site is oriented towards. > > Aha, see, you do care. > > > > > Do you think I'm wrong about this? > > > > Whether you do or not, should people who offer their opinion in good > faith > > ... > > LMAO! Is that what you call it? > > > ... be subjected to this kind of lame, moronic sarcasm? To me, this just > > doesn't seem like adult behavior. > > I see, well, among the more moronic things I've seen you say here more > than > once include: > "Moreover, the fact that Struts was unable to stay competitive with > Webwork even given the huge advantages you should have in terms of > attracting collaborators, this seems to suggest that your model did not > work very well." > > What model is that? You base your "opinion in good faith" on unfounded > principals. The Apache way is not based on business models. Apache is > NOT > in the business of competing with anyone. Why do you (and others) keep > suggesting different? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jonathan Revusky > > -- > > lead developer, FreeMarker project > > Even your signature block shows that you don't "get it". Why do you claim > "lead developer"? Does that make you better than all of the others? Or > more important somehow? When is the last time Craig put "lead developer" > in > his signature block? Why doesn't Martin put "PMC Chair" under his name? > > Some people have misgivings about some kind of perceived power that comes > with committership. As if the larger the project, the more power or > influence. The real champions at Apache, or "lead developers" as you > might > put it, have earned the respect of others by helping out where it counts, > not counting who has written more lines of code. > > And just to make it clear, when I say "champions", I'm NOT talking about > committers. I'm NOT drawing a line down the middle of the page separating > committers and non-committers as Dakota continues to claim. The Struts > community is alive and well and will continue to thrive under our current > leadership and "model" (as you say), proving yet again that it isn't so > much > about the code as it is about the community. > > > -- > James Mitchell > Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist > Consulting / Mentoring > 678.910.8017 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~
