+1 for what Nux said - freezing new development for CloudStack and polishing new stuff.
We already discussed this during CCCEU14, and I really think this should be priority - but discussion during CCCEU14 and really doing it as discused are 2 different things, hoping developers will align to the goals... Because, I understand that some developers want to work on new features, and that fixing bugs and improving current stuff is more boring - but it makes no sense to me to make new stuff without current one not working good in some areas. On 25 November 2014 at 08:28, Outback Dingo <outbackdi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:51 PM, <esander...@hushmail.com> wrote: > > > Good evening, > > Now that we have two vendors on here. What are your thoughts on > > opennebula? Not trying to be troll or firestart(great song) just > > trying to get some input. > > > > If you have a fairly simple straightforward configuration and dont need > bells and whistles there is nothing wrong with Cloudstack. > It is in fact extremely easy to deploy...... and simple to configure as > long as you fall inside their requirements. > > > > On 11/24/2014 at 7:17 PM, "Ron Wheeler" wrote:+1 > > > > On 24/11/2014 8:05 PM, Nux! wrote: > > > Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. > > > Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS > > is silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there > > are more important things to fix first. > > > > > > In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on > > new features for a while and made the current features rock solid. > > > > > > I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would > > otherwise slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care > > that much for S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment > > will be large enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to > > develop them myself (and contribute them back). > > > > > > Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and > > whistles. > > > I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and > > I use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the > > bloody kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable > > services for my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said > > features; all they want is their application or site to work 24/7. > > > > > > Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage > > stats working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, > > security groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly > > GUI mistakes or typos in new releases and so on. > > > > > > Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! > > Everybody pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, > > effort and money to get working, if at all. > > > Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use > > Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle > > tested stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. > > > > > > For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in > > production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their > > time, freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which > > features can't be used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy > > wrapping and then put it up for sale (or download). > > > > > > Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! > > Sort of ... :-) > > > > > > /rant > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > > > > > Nux! > > > www.nux.ro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Outback Dingo" > > >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 > > >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part > > of the > > >>> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many > > years is a > > >>> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. > > >>>> I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching > > to > > >>> OpenStack because of this problem. > > >>> > > >> there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to > > >> openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as > > the NFS > > >> as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such > > as > > >> opendaylight, is another > > >> while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and > > being a > > >> big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it > > does lack > > >> some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are > > found in > > >> openstack. Now while I > > >> also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client > > be > > >> installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead > > in > > >> storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost > > commercial > > >> solutions. I will credit CS people > > >> for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even > > that seems > > >> waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support > > for > > >> openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing > > turn key > > >> distros, open source some at that. > > >> I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but > > felt the > > >> lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even > > openstack > > >> is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into > > the > > >> options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, > > >> and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they > > are > > >> loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is > > offering > > >> with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a > > bit, and > > >> not appear so short sighted and narrow minded > > >> when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was > > running the > > >> product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the > > technologies > > >> becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and > > software > > >> defined storage. CS is great, but requires > > >> a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on > > trending > > >> technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and > > XEN...... a big > > >> win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly > > closing that > > >> gap. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> Can you send links, I am curious ! > > >>> > > >>> thxs > > >>> > > >>>> I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic > > >>> project and a really great community! > > >>>> Andrei > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> > > >>>>> From: "Andrija Panic" > > >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > >>>>> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. > > >>>>> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is > > the > > >>>>> question now :) > > >>>>> thx folks > > >>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis > > >>>>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in > > Creedence > > >>>>>> (Xenserver > > >>>>>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as > > should > > >>>>>> NFSv4 and > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization-blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html > > >>>>>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: > > >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > > >>>>>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 > > >>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time > > - > > >>>>>> works fine > > >>>>>> more or less :) thx > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download > > >>>>>>> alpha of > > >>>>>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for > > production. > > >>>>>>> I > > >>>>>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not > > support > > >>>>>>> RBD > > >>>>>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right -- > > >>>>>>> first > > >>>>>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait > > for > > >>>>>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There > > >>>>>>> were > > >>>>>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked > > well. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Vadim. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM > > >>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but the > > >>>>>>> new > > >>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel > > 3.10.x > > >>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need to > > >>>>>>> wait > > >>>>>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks anyway > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Andrija, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported > > >>>>>>>> SR-s > > >>>>>>>> here: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > > http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/reference.html#ck > > >>>>>>> _reference_storage_repository_types > > >>>>>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support is > > >>>>>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find > > the > > >>>>>>>> link > > >>>>>>>> right away. > > >>>>>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage for > > >>>>>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage > > >>>>>>>> type. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Vadim. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM > > >>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi guys, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ? > > >>>>>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside > > >>>>>>>> XenServer > > >>>>>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this - thus > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> question. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Andrija Panić > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Andrija Panić > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Andrija Panić > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Andrija Panić > > -- > > Ron Wheeler > > President > > Artifact Software Inc > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > > skype: ronaldmwheeler > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > > > -- Andrija Panić
