William, I don't think you did read the discussions carefully - Ron was complaining about other people (mainly "Mark" in this case) spreading FUD against Univa. And he said that spreading FUD against any implementation of Grid Engine is just wrong.
Rayson On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:13 PM, William Deegan <[email protected]> wrote: > All, > > I've been reading these discussions for a while. > I think generally they are counter productive. > > If you have a fork (currently there are 3 that I see: Univa, son of > gridengine, and gridengine (what's Ron Chen's project's name?), then just > work on making your fork the most attractive to use. > If it's not nobody will use it. > > Don't worry about the other guy and/or company. > You're not going to change their actions (at this point) by complaining. > If people are concerned about a given fork, they won't use it. > > It would be great if there was only one repo, but I don't see that happening > any time soon, or ever given the dialogues on this mailing list. > > That's my 2cents. > -Bill > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ron Chen wrote: > >> And I just found this one today: >> >> >> http://www.univagridengine.com/ >> >> Again, as a contributor who has stayed with Oracle and Sun Grid Engine and >> Open Grid Scheduler for >> over 10 years, I think it is unacceptable to register a domain using other >> company's product name. >> >> While Univa has been using FUD against open source, this is not the way to >> revenge. >> >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ron Chen <[email protected]> >> To: Mark Magento <[email protected]> >> Cc: users <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [gridengine users] More Univa FUD??? >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> (Just back from my vacation and I am really late in this discussion.) >> >> >> Did you create this website? >> >> http://unicloud.wordpress.com/ >> >> While I am not a fan of Univa (mainly have problem with its market >> practices), I am also not a fan >> of those who create a website using the name of other people's products >> (i.e. Univa's UniCloud), >> with the content of the website all about bashing Univa's products. >> >> If possible, please unregister that blog - it is not helping anyone in the >> HPC or Cloud industry. >> >> Also, the "Grid Engine Truth" website referenced in the article is dead: >> >> http://www.gridenginetruth.com/ >> >> But from WHOIS, the registrant of the site is "Mike Majento", who also owns >> Univa Sucks: >> >> http://www.univasucks.com/ >> >> And who has also written articles like these: >> >> >> http://www.submitarticles-free.com/computer-and-technology/software/univa/ >> >> http://goarticles.com/article/Univa/5656485/ >> >> And an article written by "Grayson Tyreman" telling people to use Scalable >> Logic or Platform LSF!? >> >> Both Rayson and I did not write this, and I am sure the BioTeam, Oracle >> (Andy), and Reuti did not >> write this - I know Rayson and Andy for a long time, and Reuti & the Bioteam >> have been helping >> this community for almost 9 years without asking for any return. (Platform >> Computing has been >> flighting SGE for a long time, but I don't know them well so I can't comment >> on whether they are >> behind this or not.) >> >> >> However, I think this is to create further fragmentation in Grid Engine, and >> this madness has to stop! >> >> (I am speaking for myself, and I have not done any business with Univa or >> other Grid Engine >> players like Scalable Logic or Sun and/or Oracle. But as a contributor & >> someone who has stayed >> with the SGE community for 10+ years I think I need to say something about >> this!) >> >> -Ron >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark Magento <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: users <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [gridengine users] More Univa FUD??? >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> After looking over that post and reading your feedback I have changed the >> language on it considerably. >> >> My overall issue with Univa has been some of the claims they make and I think >> that it is not beneficial to the community or the project. I have tried to >> take >> it up with Univa but they lend a deaf ear. >> >> They have every right to pursue commercial interests but my motivation here >> was only to help give the community a stronger voice to combat some of the >> claims >> that Univa has made that are less than beneficial to the community and the >> project. As well as to help potential customers have more knowledge of other >> options that might help them make better decisions. >> >> In terms of the issue at hand, I realize that that name has never been used >> for >> anything with Grid Engine but it just seemed to me that having it owned by >> and >> linked to them was but another link in a long chain of negative actions >> toward >> the community as fully documented on previous mails on gridengine.org. I'm >> sorry if you disagree but it seems to me that Univa is slowly trying to get >> rid of the community as it would present the biggest barrier to it making >> money with Grid Engine. >> >> >> Please see the changes made to my blog at >> http://gridenginetruth.blogspot.com/ >> . >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Chris Dagdigian <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> >>>> First they closed the >>>> source code, now they are taking over the 'Grid Engine' name. What will >>>> they do next?? >>> >>> >> my $.02 ... >>> >>> >>> Mark if you wanna see a textbook example of infantile FUD in action all you >>> need to do is read your own blog at http://gridenginetruth.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> gridengine.com has been owned by a domain speculator or some other >>> value-less operator since at least 2005 when I bought the gridengine.info >>> and gridengine.org domains. Just like gridengine.net is being used right >>> now in fact. >>> >>> gridengine.com has *never* been used for anything GE related and a quick >>> visit to archive.org will show that it's basically hosted a domain parking >>> page for years. >>> >>> And now ... it redirects ... to univa.com ... the company that hired a >>> bunch of the GE development team ... The company that sells and supports a >>> GE variant ... the company with a product called ... (drumroll) ... "Grid >>> Engine". >>> >>> FUD != "company purchasing a domain name from a speculator that accurately >>> describes the product they are developing and selling" >>> >>> Wait until someone does a google search for "open grid scheduler" and >>> notices that Univa might have bought placement around those keywords. >>> That's totally gonna blow some minds. Maybe I should get in front of that >>> outrage train and label it UltraMegaUberFUD :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
