Chi, On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Chi Chan wrote:
> So what's your point, William? Like others have already said, did you read > what Ron said, or are you just not happy with many forks and each with > features that are different, and like you said before that you needed to > choose one to use? It's a pain to deal with multiple forks. > > And where are your contributions? While it is perfectly fine to use SGE > without contributing, you are acting as if you built the SGE community like > others who have done it here for years, and you are feeling despair because > others just made your effort worthless. As far as I know this list is open for all to comment regardless of their contributions to any project in particular. > > Dave Love complained because Univa is spreading what he believe untrue > information about his fork. The Linux community complained when Microsoft did > the same thing to Linux. So now are you saying that Dave should not even > complain in the first place just because this way more people can use SGE? Feel free to complain about anything all you want. It would be wise to address the FUD on Dave or Rayson's or even gridengine.org (if Chris feels it's an appropriate place). > > And you keep on asking for new features, and keep posting questions on the > list - but you are supporting your clients and customers for money. And do > you redirect your customers' feature requests to this list and ask people to > implement them for you? > If this list isn't for asking questions? Then what is it's purpose? Do you not earn money using gridengine? Does anyone on this list use gridengine just for fun? (not saying it's not fun to use..) Are you seriously saying that it's wrong to use gridengine to make money, and then it's further wrong to ask questions here to support that work? Or even wrong to sell support for gridengine? > * I can't find a better way to describe you than a "freeloader". Then by your definition almost the entire world is a freeloader? I contribute to a few open source projects (buildbot, plone) and co-manage SCons (scons.org). Is reporting bugs not contributing to the project? Is asking for clarifications, which then become part of the email list archive which then other people can find via google in the middle of the night when they have the problem rather than having to wait for a response not providing value to the community? I am by no means a freeloader on the open source community as a whole. Having working in many startups, let me explain something to you. No product has any value if no one uses it, furthermore without requests from those users products rarely get more useable. -Bill > > > --Chi > > > > ----- 原始信件 ---- > 寄件者： William Deegan <b...@baddogconsulting.com> > 收件者： Ron Chen <ron_chen_...@yahoo.com> > 副本： users <users@gridengine.org> > 寄件日期： 2012/1/11 (三) 3:13 PM > 主旨： Re: [gridengine users] More Univa FUD??? > > All, > > I've been reading these discussions for a while. > I think generally they are counter productive. > > If you have a fork (currently there are 3 that I see: Univa, son of > gridengine, and gridengine (what's Ron Chen's project's name?), then just > work on making your fork the most attractive to use. > If it's not nobody will use it. > > Don't worry about the other guy and/or company. > You're not going to change their actions (at this point) by complaining. > If people are concerned about a given fork, they won't use it. > > It would be great if there was only one repo, but I don't see that happening > any time soon, or ever given the dialogues on this mailing list. > > That's my 2cents. > -Bill > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ron Chen wrote: > >> And I just found this one today: >> >> >> http://www.univagridengine.com/ >> >> Again, as a contributor who has stayed with Oracle and Sun Grid Engine and >> Open Grid Scheduler for >> over 10 years, I think it is unacceptable to register a domain using other >> company's product name. >> >> While Univa has been using FUD against open source, this is not the way to >> revenge. >> >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ron Chen <ron_chen_...@yahoo.com> >> To: Mark Magento <markmaje...@gmail.com> >> Cc: users <users@gridengine.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [gridengine users] More Univa FUD??? >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> (Just back from my vacation and I am really late in this discussion.) >> >> >> Did you create this website? >> >> http://unicloud.wordpress.com/ >> >> While I am not a fan of Univa (mainly have problem with its market >> practices), I am also not a fan >> of those who create a website using the name of other people's products >> (i.e. Univa's UniCloud), >> with the content of the website all about bashing Univa's products. >> >> If possible, please unregister that blog - it is not helping anyone in the >> HPC or Cloud industry. >> >> Also, the "Grid Engine Truth" website referenced in the article is dead: >> >> http://www.gridenginetruth.com/ >> >> But from WHOIS, the registrant of the site is "Mike Majento", who also owns >> Univa Sucks: >> >> http://www.univasucks.com/ >> >> And who has also written articles like these: >> >> >> http://www.submitarticles-free.com/computer-and-technology/software/univa/ >> >> http://goarticles.com/article/Univa/5656485/ >> >> And an article written by "Grayson Tyreman" telling people to use Scalable >> Logic or Platform LSF!? >> >> Both Rayson and I did not write this, and I am sure the BioTeam, Oracle >> (Andy), and Reuti did not >> write this - I know Rayson and Andy for a long time, and Reuti & the Bioteam >> have been helping >> this community for almost 9 years without asking for any return. (Platform >> Computing has been >> flighting SGE for a long time, but I don't know them well so I can't comment >> on whether they are >> behind this or not.) >> >> >> However, I think this is to create further fragmentation in Grid Engine, and >> this madness has to stop! >> >> (I am speaking for myself, and I have not done any business with Univa or >> other Grid Engine >> players like Scalable Logic or Sun and/or Oracle. But as a contributor & >> someone who has stayed >> with the SGE community for 10+ years I think I need to say something about >> this!) >> >> -Ron >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark Magento <markmaje...@gmail.com> >> To: d...@sonsorol.org >> Cc: users <users@gridengine.org> >> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [gridengine users] More Univa FUD??? >> >> >> >> Chris, >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> After looking over that post and reading your feedback I have changed the >> language on it considerably. >> >> My overall issue with Univa has been some of the claims they make and I think >> that it is not beneficial to the community or the project. I have tried to >> take >> it up with Univa but they lend a deaf ear. >> >> They have every right to pursue commercial interests but my motivation here >> was only to help give the community a stronger voice to combat some of the >> claims >> that Univa has made that are less than beneficial to the community and the >> project. As well as to help potential customers have more knowledge of other >> options that might help them make better decisions. >> >> In terms of the issue at hand, I realize that that name has never been used >> for >> anything with Grid Engine but it just seemed to me that having it owned by >> and >> linked to them was but another link in a long chain of negative actions >> toward >> the community as fully documented on previous mails on gridengine.org. I'm >> sorry if you disagree but it seems to me that Univa is slowly trying to get >> rid of the community as it would present the biggest barrier to it making >> money with Grid Engine. >> >> >> Please see the changes made to my blog at >> http://gridenginetruth.blogspot.com/ >> . >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Chris Dagdigian <d...@sonsorol.org> wrote: >> >> >>> >>>> First they closed the >>>> source code, now they are taking over the 'Grid Engine' name. What will >>>> they do next?? >>> >>> >> my $.02 ... >>> >>> >>> Mark if you wanna see a textbook example of infantile FUD in action all you >>> need to do is read your own blog at http://gridenginetruth.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> gridengine.com has been owned by a domain speculator or some other >>> value-less operator since at least 2005 when I bought the gridengine.info >>> and gridengine.org domains. Just like gridengine.net is being used right >>> now in fact. >>> >>> gridengine.com has *never* been used for anything GE related and a quick >>> visit to archive.org will show that it's basically hosted a domain parking >>> page for years. >>> >>> And now ... it redirects ... to univa.com ... the company that hired a >>> bunch of the GE development team ... The company that sells and supports a >>> GE variant ... the company with a product called ... (drumroll) ... "Grid >>> Engine". >>> >>> FUD != "company purchasing a domain name from a speculator that accurately >>> describes the product they are developing and selling" >>> >>> Wait until someone does a google search for "open grid scheduler" and >>> notices that Univa might have bought placement around those keywords. >>> That's totally gonna blow some minds. Maybe I should get in front of that >>> outrage train and label it UltraMegaUberFUD :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> users mailing list >>> users@gridengine.org >>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> users@gridengine.org >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> users@gridengine.org >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> users@gridengine.org >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@gridengine.org > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@gridengine.org https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
