Ron,
As always your opinions are valued.
Have a nice day!
-Bill
On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Ron Chen wrote:
> I'm finally back from my 1-month Chinese New Year vacation (actually back
> since
> Wednesday). A few things I wanted to add:
>
> 1) No matter what, Univa is not supposed to damage the reputation of Dave
> Love. As much
> as I disagree with Dave Love, I've never said bad things cowardly behind
> someone.
>
> Univa is also totally wrong to say that Oracle will get to Dave (from Dave's
> email -
> "lucky Oracle lawyers haven't descended yet"). I don't know why Univa can
> speak for
> Oracle. Add to the fact that Univa started the FUD against open source Grid
> Engine first,
> and as mentioned by Chris & Rayson, running Ads on Google saying that Open
> Grid Scheduler
> is built by Univa ("Open Grid Scheduler - Download and Try - Built by
> Experts"). And at
> the beginning, asking Dave and I to merge with Univa to eliminate competion.
> I would say
> that Univa is just not helping the Grid Engine ecosystem at all.
>
> It is my understanding that Oracle has not sold the Grid Engine copyright or
> intellectual
> property to Univa. I think it is misleading that Univa tries to make everyone
> believe
> that they are the official owner of Grid Engine. Further, Oracle has no plans
> to attach
> open source Grid Engine implementations - according to a few Oracle employees
> we have
> access to, so please Univa, stop using Oracle lawyers as part of your FUD!
>
>
> 2) On the other hand, this Mark Magento is also not doing the right thing. As
> much as I
> disagree with the tactics used by Univa, I have only asked Univa to stop all
> the evil
> tactics they are using, and confess by contributing something useful - like
> opensourcing
> the UniSight product. I am not asking Univa to close business.
>
> However, Mark on the one hand complained about Univa registering
> gridengine.com, and on
> the other hand registering univagridengine.com and also the unicloud
> wordpress websites.
> This will just further confuse anyone who wants to use Grid Engine.
>
>
> 3) I have been monitoring any FUD activities since the birth of the Grid
> Engine open
> source project. At the beginning it was Platform Computing who used stupid
> FUDs against
> Grid Engine (especially from 2001 to 2004, when Platform was greatly affected
> by the open
> source of Grid Engine), and I did the same thing on the Beowulf mailing list.
> I am not
> just picking on Univa.
>
>
> 4) I don't know how many times I needed to repeat myself. We don't merge
> because user
> Joe (i.e. William Deegan) asked us to. (Many helpful people on this list have
> similar
> requests and we listen to them.) However, we needed to plan carefully, and
> imagine what
> would happen if Dave and Rayson were to merge with Univa? I am not naive and
> I knew at the
> beginning why Univa wanted to eliminate all other forks.
>
> Many people contribute on this list, but I am not sure why you William needed
> to repeat
> your request so many times. You wanted Dave & I to ignore the wrong beings of
> Univa and
> work on improving Grid Engine? Let me tell you this - if I develop code and a
> company is
> taking advantage of my changes and use FUDs to tell people not to use my
> software, or
> even damage my reputation, then I would rather not develop the code at all.
> If Dave is
> not contributing because of this, then we should all know why.
>
> Further, I don't own you anything, and I also did not tell you to use Grid
> Engine,
> William. Why don't you buy support from Univa so that when you clients ask
> you questions,
> you don't need to relay questions on this list and end up relying on others
> to support
> your clients?
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:13 PM, William Deegan <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I've been reading these discussions for a while.
>> I think generally they are counter productive.
>>
>> If you have a fork (currently there are 3 that I see: Univa, son of
>> gridengine, and gridengine (what's Ron Chen's project's name?), then just
>> work on making your fork the most attractive to use.
>> If it's not nobody will use it.
>>
>> Don't worry about the other guy and/or company.
>> You're not going to change their actions (at this point) by complaining.
>> If people are concerned about a given fork, they won't use it.
>>
>> It would be great if there was only one repo, but I don't see that happening
>> any time soon, or ever given the dialogues on this mailing list.
>>
>> That's my 2cents.
>> -Bill
>>
>
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