And I'm with you.  I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a Microsoft
product or Apple product.

And any IT manager who puts critical business data into a public cloud
should be fired on the spot.  A private cloud, ok.  But public cloud,
never!  Cloud is fine for sharing pictures and documents but it is no place
for critical business data.


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM Leo Donahue <donahu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I probably shouldn't have replied, but..
>
> >> ... force customers to a browser interface
> For Windows users, this is where you are headed -
> https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365/partners/moderndesktop
> In a few years when you go buy a new Windows PC, what will it have spec
> wise?  Probably very little, just enough to get you to the cloud.
> You probably won't even be able to buy the PC device.  Instead you'll
> probably rent it for two years like your cell phone - paying off that last
> dollar will take you two years, then you'll be eligible for an upgrade.
> You're locked into the platform and the device.  The spice must flow.
>
> I'm thankful I still have the choice of an open OS.  Thank you Linux,
> thank you GTK, thank you Java/Swing, thank you open source.  Thank you
> every other Apache project I can run on Linux.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft will continue laughing all the way to the bank as long as they
>> can keep the Java crowd believing their desktop monopoly is just a niche
>> market.  In the US small businesses are the largest employer segment and we
>> live on a desktop.  More and more of them with larger and larger screens.
>> Of course, we also use browsers for web access and cell phones to talk with
>> each other.  But we get our work done with a desktop client/server
>> application for the most part; and no, we don't want to have to try to get
>> anything done with something as crude as a browser interface.  That should
>> be more than apparent from the recent rash of class action lawsuits that
>> have been filed against Oracle's attempt to force customers to a browser
>> interface.  We simply don't want it in small businesses.  Long live the
>> niche!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:56 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Both Swing and JavaFX are niche technologies, and I'd question the value
>>> of porting a large existing application from one to another.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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