+1!
On Tue, 2021-04-20 at 17:10 +0000, Lisa Ruby wrote: > > For those of you who have used Maven for a long time it may seem > simple and straightforward, but for those of us who haven't it's > not. I've struggled to try and understand it and figure out how > to > use it for my software project and gave up. And it's a huge > amount > of overhead, extra disk space usage, and more bits and pieces to > keep track of that isn't justifiable for small simple projects. > ANT > works just fine for me, and I will keep using it for as long as I > possibly can. I need to focus my time on getting my software out, > not on the tools I have to use to do it. > > > > Lisa > > > > On 4/20/2021 10:00 AM, Geertjan > Wielenga wrote: > > > > > > > I agree, the Ant-based project creation should be > > removed and I disagree that there should be any kind of > > conversion between Ant and Maven -- that simply will never > > work > > and we'll spend the rest of our days fixing bugs in that. > > To > > convert from Ant to Maven: create a new Maven project and > > copy > > the Java source files from your Ant project into it. > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:58 > > PM <pszud...@throwarock.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I think NB > > > should have an internal conversation about > > > removing the > > > "new project" support for Ant projects, while > > > still > > > being able to open existing ones. It just > > > confuses a lot > > > of people if they're not going to be supported. > > > > > > I agree, if and ONLY if you provide at least a > > > rudimentary way to convert ANT projects to Maven > > > projects. I have been struggling with this issue > > > too > > > long. I have hundreds of Ant based projects that I > > > would > > > love to turn over immediately to Maven... but I > > > can't , am > > > struggling, and haven't coded a darn line in two > > > months... I used to code 10 hours a day ... and > > > now... > > > embarrassed by my inability to convert.,. > > > I exaggerate a bit, I still code in "Old" Netbeans > > > 8.2, > > > but I know the days are numbered... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2021-04-20 08:23, Will Hartung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 > > > > at 12:55 AM Wayne Gemmell | Connect < > > > > wa...@connect-mobile.co.za> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is the perception that nobody does > > > > > Maven EAR's anymore or that nobody uses > > > > > EARs? I > > > > > have a web app that has given me no > > > > > shortage of > > > > > issuse with ant. > > > > > I'm trying to move it to Maven. If > > > > > nobody is > > > > > using maven then I need to move to > > > > > something > > > > > else. If nobody is using EAR's > > > > > anymore then I'm > > > > > pretty stuck figuring out this Maven > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it's several things. > > > > > > > > EARs are less popular because their necessity > > > > has > > > > been greatly reduced. Session beans can be > > > > placed in > > > > WARs now, so for many use cases, a WAR is > > > > completely > > > > adequate to the task. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it's not suitable for all use > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > Notably, MDBs can not be deployed in WARs. > > > > But > > > > only as an EJB either deployed > > > > standalone, or > > > > bundled within an EAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the hue and cry over micro services and > > > > "down with the monolith", just the idea of > > > > a large > > > > application bundled in a EAR is falling out > > > > of > > > > favor. > > > > > > > > Also, there's a history of advocacy > > > > underlying > > > > this. Sun used NetBeans as a mechanism to > > > > advocate > > > > for Java and Java EE. It behooved them to > > > > have > > > > something like NetBeans to make Java EE > > > > development > > > > easier. So, it was important for NetBeans > > > > to have > > > > really first class Java EE support. > > > > Bundling the > > > > Java EE wizards and templates along with > > > > Glassfish > > > > all helped promote that. > > > > > > > > Of course, now, with the great Java Diaspora > > > > out > > > > of Oracle, the goals and drivers are > > > > different. > > > > > > > > For your project, if all you have is a web > > > > app > > > > and some session beans, then a simple WAR > > > > file is > > > > good to go. The Ant projects seem to > > > > essentially be > > > > deprecated now, so I would not rely on > > > > those for > > > > anything. If practical, especially if your > > > > project > > > > is young, I would migrate it to Maven. The > > > > Maven WAR > > > > is a pretty simple project and seems to > > > > work ok. > > > > Maven isn't going away any time soon, > > > > Gradle, it's > > > > primary competitor, doesn't really have the > > > > traction > > > > to overcome it yet, and it's been going for > > > > some > > > > time. If nothing else, the pom.xml file has > > > > become a > > > > de facto portable project format if, for > > > > nothing > > > > else, to capture dependencies. > > > > > > > > Honestly, I think NB should have an internal > > > > conversation about removing the "new > > > > project" > > > > support for Ant projects, while still being > > > > able to > > > > open existing ones. It just confuses a lot > > > > of people > > > > if they're not going to be supported. > > > > > > > > And I still haven't heard any concrete > > > > position > > > > the project has on internalizing Maven > > > > archetypes > > > > used for project wizards, or the process of > > > > adopting > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Legacy archetypes that used to work in NB 8 > > > > are > > > > now failing because they've vanished from > > > > Maven > > > > central. So, an external dependency broke > > > > an > > > > internal feature. > > > > > > > > Feel free to follow up with specific > > > > questions > > > > about getting your project to work and/or > > > > converted > > > > to Maven. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Will Hartung > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
