Good point. But I I assumed that it would be possible to subvert GWT widgets to tapestry wrappings, or maybe the other side around, since they want to bind to something id'd in the page. That way we could use any GWT widgte just the way we could a Tacos component.
Having said that I must take of my hat to the fact that I do not whatsoever understand what I am talking about. Cheers, PS On 5/20/06, Paul Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For people writing single-page Ajaxy apps that look like Swing, GWT may well be the death knell for other frameworks. For other types of apps, I'm not so sure. And I'm not so sure that the former type of app is something I want to see more of. I don't necessarily like the trend toward the single-page Ajax app that resembles a desktop app. Why? Desktop apps generally suck. They attempt to stuff any sort of data structure, any sort of interface semantics, into the same set of widgets provided by the platform. The result is a sort of widget soup, lots of dialogs with subdialogs, all highly modal (excessive modality being a bad thing.) See the Windows network config dialog for an extreme example. Something I love about webapps is that they've broken the shackles of the widget set: people use creative markup to represent their data structures in all sort of inventive ways. Granted, many web UIs suck, but on the whole, I prefer the average webapp's UI to the average desktop (well, Windows) or Swing UI. So don't get me wrong; it's still very, very cool -- but I have mixed feelings about GWT. Will it encourage a step backwards in UI design, back to the dark days of modal widget soup? Perhaps not, but such is my misgiving. Cheers, Paul On May 20, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Todd Orr wrote: > The more I use the GWT, the more impressed I am. This could be the > killer framework java has needed. The ease of use and more traditional > GUI programming model approach plus the power of the resulting > components is a real winner. It will be interesting to see what T5 has > in store, but I've yet to hear a true road map - only hearsay about > ideas on a drawing board. This may be heresy, but as much as Tapestry > was an improvement over Struts (and many other MVCs), it seems that > GWT (IMO) is that much further towards the ideal solution over Tap. > Don't get me wrong, I love Tapestry for what it has done and the > impression it has made in the community. I fondly remember the feeling > of freedom from moving away from Struts. Yet, technology moves on at a > faster clip than everyone is able to keep up with. This may be the > death knoll for all previous next-gen frameworks. > > On 5/19/06, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe on second thought....Since I've already gone through all the >> trouble >> of making sure and confirming how they've done it I'll just make >> sure it >> gets into tap5 instead.(i've been working with Rhino a lot lately >> developing >> various js tools) It's not very hard to compile java classes into >> javascript >> using rhino so...I dunno.....we'll see.. >> >> On 5/20/06, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > It's definitely some very cool technology, as much as I hate to >> admit >> > it.... >> > >> > I downloaded and took apart as much as I could when it came out, >> very >> > clever stuff! They've basically created a sort of browser >> equivalent to >> > java. Not literally, and not on their own of course. Rhino has >> been around >> > for a fairly long time now, but what they did with it is just >> crazy. The >> > deployed JS that comes with your "compiled" application is the >> exact amount >> > needed to run it, no more and no less. >> > >> > Comparing my background history I'd have to say that I probably >> have more >> > facless/native gui experience than web as well. The API's are of >> course >> > familiar. A lot of rhino api stuff made it into the public facing >> > portions(which is equivalent to saying the browser API.,.heh), >> along with >> > normal GUI-ish type things you'd expect. >> > >> > So, I feel happy in knowing that the direction tap5 is going in >> is exactly >> > where it should be, but sad at the same time because I almost >> don't know >> > what to do now. Why try and re-invent the wheel? hmmmm >> > >> > >> > On 5/19/06, Geoff Longman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Very sweet. If this had existed a few years ago the number of web >> > > frameworks in java would be much less than it is today. >> > > >> > > I finally got it running yesterday (my fault - no free time) and >> > > lickety split I had converted some simple Tapestry stuff we >> have a >> > > work here. Nothing complete mind you but for myself, an old >> Java GUI >> > > programmer, the learning curve is infinitesmal compared >> > > to....Tapestry. >> > > >> > > Even the demos are easily modified without too much trouble. >> Being >> > > able to debug it like a normal Java GUI program is simply >> amazing. >> > > >> > > Way back when I found the learning curve of Tapestry hard for >> reasons >> > > that are probably different from those most find today. I was >> coming >> > > out of Swing land and had only a few months experiences (ok a >> year) >> > > with servlet/jsp programming (no struts). Sliding back into >> the GUI >> > > model programming is nothing to me. >> > > >> > > It will be interesting to hear how developers with only web >> experience >> > > find the GWT learning curve. >> > > >> > > But, all new things are cooler than the old things and it >> remains to >> > > be seen if one will hit the wall once one reaches the limits >> of GWT. >> > > But so far..WOW! >> > > >> > > As for integrating GWT widgets into Tapestry..I can't give an >> opinion. >> > > I'm not up enough on the hard work Jesse et all have been >> doing with T >> > > 4.1. >> > > >> > > Geoff >> > > >> > > PS. [OT]it's very interesting that the devtime tool is an >> Eclipse RCP >> > > app using SWT. >> > > >> > > On 5/17/06, Peter Svensson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > OK, this is so sweet. Who will be the first to make this >> work with >> > > > Tapestry/Tacos?? >> > > > >> > > > http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > PS >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net >> > > Blog: http://jroller.com/page/glongman >> > > Other interests: http://www.squidoo.com/spaceelevator/ >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jesse Kuhnert >> > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer >> > >> > Open source based consulting work centered around >> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Kuhnert >> Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer >> >> Open source based consulting work centered around >> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ Piano music podcast: http://inthehands.com Other interesting stuff: http://innig.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
