-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Coty,
On 1/19/17 1:32 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: >> That's a reasonable position to take IMO, it's just not the >> position that the Tomcat team took. > > I think so ;) > >> The result was Tomcat 8.5 which is essentially the best of both >> worlds. One could argue that Tomcat 9 should have become Tomcat >> 10 and Tomcat 8.5 should have instead been Tomcat 9.0, but our >> versioning-scheme has generally followed the Servlet-spec >> version, so that Tomcat X+1 supports the spec version following >> the one that Tomcat X supported. > > When you explain it that way it makes total sense, but users > outside of the tomcat development circles (read > maintainers/consumers of that distro's package, like freeipa) > didn't know that so they assumed that it was just a regular 8.x > release (and were probably confused where the 5 came from). I've > been explaining that it's a fork of 9, etc but that isn't always > well received which is understandable IMO. Tomcat 8.5 introduces support for HTTP/2, JASPIC, and TLS virtual hosting, adds a JSSE provider which uses OpenSSL for crypto with NIO/NIO2, and drops support for the BIO connector. Those are all pretty big changes, but Tomcat 9 can't be truly released until the next spec version is finalized. There is actually historical precedent for this with Tomcat 5.5. Tomcat 5.0 supported the Servlet Spec 2.4, and the forthcoming Tomcat 6 would support Spec 2.5. Before Tomcat 6 was ready, major improvements were made, such as being able to run Tomcat with only a JRE and not a full JDK. These improvements required significant changes which were deemed too major to put into Tomcat 5.0, and so Tomcat 5.5 was released essentially as a replacement. Tomcat 5.0 immediately went into maintenance mode, only to receive security fixes. The situation with Tomcat 8.0 is a little better: it is still fully-supported, and probably will be at least until Tomcat 9 is stable. I'm not entirely sure which version of Tomcat we'll give up on first: 7.0 or 8.0. One could make a good argument for either course of action. But we the maintainers generally think that supporting 3 versions at a time is quite enough, thank you very much. We are currently supporting 4 versions, if you count Tomcat 9. Some people are using Tomcat 9, though I would hope for only very experimental uses at this point. >> It's important that the Tomcat team understands these outside >> perspectives. We may have made a different decision given that >> kind of input. I'm glad that more maintainers, etc. are becoming >> a part of this community. I think it's going to improve things >> for everyone. > > I agree, which is why I'm here being vocal about it. Hopefully > sharing my viewpoint will help us prevent future issues like this, > or at least minimize them. > >> I'm looking forward to meeting you in Miami! > > Likewise! And thanks for the great explanation, it'll help my > arguments with consumers of the tomcat package later :) As both a maintainer of Tomcat itself and a user of Debian Linux, I can say that I have never liked the package-managed versions for a few reasons (for example, little variety in versions available, plus only very old versions being available). Perhaps I can be convinced to switch to a package-managed version of Tomcat under certain conditions, and that the version "problem" form my perspective can be solved by some mutual collaboration. We can certainly get into that in Miami. - -chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYgRiPAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY0MYQALrvNTin7HUb7Cw2GrX9tR/t PtZqYdhF2wW2T9IhFjgJMoHUsfsPSecAlrPowT7LRqxYnIOfkDryhyEEDygY8UD+ OxWP0b5hjU5fBtg1Nj2B0GpMIcH23ivrneBn4I9FYfcaF9+YJkzzXvCfwvPPTHAS ICe5S6mygBAFC5zKg+OguTAo5edaMd4y4YpV/Etm/+78AGNYG6RlpiwPfTbcz28O 8y2G7vstStj1LIwl+QgqLKz8tKeyXrz259KVzFZ8Ob2xb0MMED5JWPr0paeiN1OX wF+R9UfB5sb0etNBDwIh2TY6W52zLusOcCfo0L/HXf0HimkPKXXr2eOpGG+DW/9/ e3FkGbitwxuNBwH0N+ijbZoAXnwEMgqpuYn+9s3LAPo+xDkCJKgETqO2WWkIPkNR E/yz9aZDdQJFdlKagADJy3+ZXTnr47kR5Zm56TrF23/Cl/xy7bpceaF/eCLu59Uh hcyX/+POCLboOdn3qWxJ3uyBr3VDSwrheVHJO2DBcvJfPHQjBfGaVQOl/DrgwV6x zY9GMAYayoqyR9ibRzh57Gzq0bNNEfUEzVaNgClWKaIJD5sk41qbI5rB7LvfS8RH BrOkIr3YJncZvBbHEEgaLmmo7VjGfnA67OgBLEpoeUQHOnpuujl09pUX6H8spQE6 Si3G9fUQZGHq0+VodlMP =Mhyj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
