Great Exp Michel :) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, michel <compu...@videotron.ca> wrote: > > I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of > view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still > reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more > round, and it never is ... > > While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a > world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have > functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code. > > I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some > sales person doesn't explain it to the client. > > While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for > others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of > new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has > made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work > habits to automatically become my fault. > > > PL/I > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eggers" <its_toas...@yahoo.com> > To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned > dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had > backups. > > I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a > network > person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ > node > HP-UX site. > > I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley > UNIX) > person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I > could > take a broken site / team and fix it. > > Fun times . . . > > /mde/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: michel <compu...@videotron.ca> > To: Tomcat Users List <users@tomcat.apache.org> > Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... > > > It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better > future than it really did. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Winston" <satchwins...@yahoo.com> > To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals > not arabic. I always thought this was funny) > > On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: > >> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually >> being on a project under those conditions. >> >> >> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... >> >> >> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best >> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was >> said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all >> you need is a crash course to be an expert! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> >> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org> >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >> >> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me >> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of >> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then >> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my >> time. >> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM >>> To: Tomcat Users List >>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>> >>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some >>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in >>> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could >>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different >>> projects. >>> >>> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and >>> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned >>> ... >>> >>> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Gainty" <mgai...@hotmail.com> >>> To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM >>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >>> >>> >>> >>> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a >>> 1000 brooks brothers suit >>> >>> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg >>> >>> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi >>> translator for spanish >>> >>> how about unisys??? >>> >>> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU >>> Martin Gainty >>> ______________________________________________ >>> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 >>> > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>> > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com >>> > To: users@tomcat.apache.org >>> > >>> > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL >>> > >>> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] >>> > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM >>> > >> To: Tomcat Users List >>> > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>> > >> >>> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. >>> > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los >>> > > cuales >>> > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >>> > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of >>> the >>> > >> Big-5. >>> > >> >>> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >>> > >> Websphere is an application server. >>> > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to >>> migrate >>> > >> it >>> > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application >>> > > server. >>> > >> >>> > >> -Jorge >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >>> > >> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: >>> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> > >> > Hash: SHA1 >>> > >> > >>> > >> > To whom it may concern, >>> > >> > >>> > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >>> > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a >> >> J2EE >>> >>> > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we >>> are >>> > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance >>> > >> >> of >>> > >> >> tomcat. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to >> >> set >>> >>> > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >>> > >> > >>> > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting >>> firm >>> > >> >> that could provide these services? >>> > >> > >>> > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very >>> > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an >> >> instance >>> >>> > >> > of Tomcat for you. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > - -chris >>> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >>> > >> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ >>> > >> A27 >>> > >> > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >>> > >> > =vADj >>> > >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> > > Donald Paul Winston > satchwins...@yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >
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