Jeffrey,
PL/I had a lot of stuff in that most people never even knew about, and those
could take a while before getting in to it. But the basics could be mastered
fast enough.
I have heard two reasons for PL/I not taking a better market share.
1. was an IBM product, and IBM was trying to hard to control it.
2. the compiler was really bad and generated some very ineffective machine
code at a time when hardware cost $$$$.
But no question that PL/I was a fantastic language for developers!
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Janner" <jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
PL/1, boy that brings back memories.
I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a
combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like O/S,
that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. Really kind
of miss it these days.
However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. I
seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a little
longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you needed to do.
And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten better penetration,
but they seemed more intent on other technologies. Probably not enough
commission in it compared to COBOL.
-----Original Message-----
From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about
actually
being on a project under those conditions.
Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ...
Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the
best
darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was
said
that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all
you
need is a crash course to be an expert!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com>
To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent
me
to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of
Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts.
Then
they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my
time.
I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
>
> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had
some
> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me
in
> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I
could
> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on
different
> projects.
>
> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts,
and
> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got
canned
> ...
>
> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this
nonsense.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Gainty" <mgai...@hotmail.com>
> To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
>
>
>
> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini
in a
> 1000 brooks brothers suit
>
> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg
>
> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a
hindi
> translator for spanish
>
> how about unisys???
>
> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU
> Martin Gainty
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>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400
> > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com
> > To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> >
> > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM
> > >> To: Tomcat Users List
> > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> > >>
> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company.
> > >
> > >
> > > Esto si que sonó gracioso.
> > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de
los
> > > cuales
> > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat
guy.
> > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one
of
> the
> > >> Big-5.
> > >>
> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container
while
> > >> Websphere is an application server.
> > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to
> migrate
> > >> it
> > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an
application
> > > server.
> > >>
> > >> -Jorge
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz
> > >> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
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> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote:
> > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over
a
J2EE
> > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and
we
> are
> > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production
instance of
> > >> >> tomcat.
> > >> >
> > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone
to
set
> > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"?
> > >> >
> > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch
consulting
> firm
> > >> >> that could provide these services?
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be
very
> > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an
instance
> > >> > of Tomcat for you.
> > >> >
> > >> > - -chris
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