I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of
view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still
reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more
round, and it never is ...
While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a
world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have
functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code.
I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some
sales person doesn't explain it to the client.
While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for
others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of
new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has
made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work
habits to automatically become my fault.
PL/I
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Eggers" <its_toas...@yahoo.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned
dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had
backups.
I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a
network
person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+
node
HP-UX site.
I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley
UNIX)
person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I
could
take a broken site / team and fix it.
Fun times . . .
/mde/
----- Original Message ----
From: michel <compu...@videotron.ca>
To: Tomcat Users List <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM
Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ...
It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better
future than it really did.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Winston" <satchwins...@yahoo.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals
not arabic. I always thought this was funny)
On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote:
Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually
being on a project under those conditions.
Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ...
Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best
darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was
said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all
you need is a crash course to be an expert!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com>
To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me
to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of
Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then
they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my
time.
I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant.
-----Original Message-----
From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some
pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in
Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could
become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different
projects.
Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and
then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned
...
I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gainty" <mgai...@hotmail.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a
1000 brooks brothers suit
add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg
BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi
translator for spanish
how about unisys???
Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU
Martin Gainty
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> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
>
> I should have copyrights on my name. LOL
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM
> >> To: Tomcat Users List
> >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> >>
> >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company.
> >
> >
> > Esto si que sonó gracioso.
> > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los
> > cuales
> > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D
> >
> >
> >
> >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy.
> >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of
the
> >> Big-5.
> >>
> >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while
> >> Websphere is an application server.
> >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to
migrate
> >> it
> >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application
> > server.
> >>
> >> -Jorge
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz
> >> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
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> >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote:
> >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a
J2EE
> >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we
are
> >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance
> >> >> of
> >> >> tomcat.
> >> >
> >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to
set
> >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"?
> >> >
> >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting
firm
> >> >> that could provide these services?
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very
> >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an
instance
> >> > of Tomcat for you.
> >> >
> >> > - -chris
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