In business, decision makers choose standards and JSF is standard so JSF is good and JSF is the King. But couldn't be "The King Is Naked" ??
OR Am i wrong ? JSF is really cool and i don't know the hidden features ?? I don't want to start framework wars, this is useless but I think Wicket should be a JSR. I don't know how a framework like Wicket become a JSR - a standard - but it should be... 2009/12/22 Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < > reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > @Tomas, @Martin, > > > > I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit > further > > an implemented the same "application" on different technologies so that > > developers could evaluate for themselves the wonders of "downsides" of > each > > technology... plus detailed explanations of how the code works.... > > Unfortunately I cannot share that code as is property of the company I > work > > for.... > > > That's a pretty solid approach, pity you can't share the code though. I > tried to do something similar as open-source: > http://code.google.com/p/perfbench/ > > Maybe you can contribute some analysis or even an implementation or two ;) > I would be interested in your feedback, for e.g. which framework to attempt > next - do let me know offline. > > > > > But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take > > into account more "political" reasons that things like "development > speed", > > "code quality", "code re-usability" and any other adds you throw at > them... > > > > > > @Martin, > > > > Congratulations! Hope I can say the same in a few months. > > > > Best, > > > > Ernesto > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < > > > reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Eelco, > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Eelco Hillenius < > > > > eelco.hillen...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do > > > > web-development... > > > > > > and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible... but > on > > > the > > > > > > "real world" it is not enough to be an excellent product to gain > > > > > > wide acceptance... Does last sentence ring a bell? > > > > > > > > > > I think we've gained pretty wide acceptance actually. Wicket In > > Action > > > > > has been a best seller for Manning in the months right after it > came > > > > > out, and Wicket is by many considered as one of the leading web > > > > > frameworks for Java. We've also had one of the most active email > > lists > > > > > for years now. I'm sure Wicket lags behind JSF and Struts > > considerably > > > > > when it comes to number of users, but hey, why would we care. You > > only > > > > > need a bunch of serious users to maintain a framework, and Wicket > has > > > > > many thousands of them :-) > > > > > > > > > > You don't have to convince me about Wicket excellence! I love > Wicket, > > > > I've > > > > been using it for over two years now, and right now I'm doing all my > > > > efforts > > > > to get it adopted at the company I'm working for... But being > realistic > > > > they > > > > will probably jump to Struts 2, or Seam-JSF... > > > > > > > > After re-reading my message I see maybe it was bit "pessimistic".. > > maybe > > > > out of my present frustration. > > > > > > > > > > may be useful when debating Wicket vs JSF where you work etc: > > > http://tinyurl.com/jsf-sucks > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Ernesto > > > > > > > > > > -- Altuğ.