In business, decision makers choose standards and JSF is standard so JSF is
good and JSF is the King. But couldn't be "The King Is Naked" ??

OR

Am i wrong ? JSF is really cool and i don't know the hidden features ??

I don't want to start framework wars, this is useless but I think Wicket
should be a JSR.

I don't know how a framework like Wicket become a JSR - a standard - but it
should be...


2009/12/22 Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com>

> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <
> reier...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > @Tomas, @Martin,
> >
> > I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit
> further
> > an implemented the same "application" on different technologies so that
> > developers could evaluate for themselves the wonders of "downsides" of
> each
> > technology... plus detailed explanations of how the code works....
> > Unfortunately I cannot share that code as is property of the company I
> work
> > for....
>
>
> That's a pretty solid approach, pity you can't share the code though.  I
> tried to do something similar as open-source:
> http://code.google.com/p/perfbench/
>
> Maybe you can contribute some analysis or even an implementation or two ;)
> I would be interested in your feedback, for e.g. which framework to attempt
> next - do let me know offline.
>
>
>
> > But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take
> > into account more "political" reasons that things like "development
> speed",
> > "code quality", "code re-usability" and any other adds you throw at
> them...
> >
> >
> > @Martin,
> >
> > Congratulations!  Hope I can say the same in  a few months.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ernesto
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <
> > > reier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Eelco,
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Eelco Hillenius <
> > > > eelco.hillen...@gmail.com
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do
> > > > web-development...
> > > > > > and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible...  but
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > "real world" it is not enough to be an excellent product to gain
> > > > > > wide acceptance...  Does last sentence ring a bell?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we've gained pretty wide acceptance actually. Wicket In
> > Action
> > > > > has been a best seller for Manning in the months right after it
> came
> > > > > out, and Wicket is by many considered as one of the leading web
> > > > > frameworks for Java. We've also had one of the most active email
> > lists
> > > > > for years now. I'm sure Wicket lags behind JSF and Struts
> > considerably
> > > > > when it comes to number of users, but hey, why would we care. You
> > only
> > > > > need a bunch of serious users to maintain a framework, and Wicket
> has
> > > > > many thousands of them :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't have to convince me about Wicket excellence! I love
> Wicket,
> > > > I've
> > > > been using it for over two years now, and right now I'm doing all my
> > > > efforts
> > > > to get it adopted at the company I'm working for... But being
> realistic
> > > > they
> > > > will probably jump to Struts 2, or Seam-JSF...
> > > >
> > > > After re-reading my message  I see maybe it was bit "pessimistic"..
> > maybe
> > > > out of my present frustration.
> > > >
> > >
> > > may be useful when debating Wicket vs JSF where you work etc:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/jsf-sucks
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Ernesto
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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