On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Francois Meillet <
francois.meil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Philippe for raising this issue
>
> Maybe it's time to take a step back to better analyse the situation and
> where we want to go.
> Because we don't want to be the only ones using the best framework.
>
> What need to be done ?
>
> If we promote Wicket right now, we will end up with a big failure.
> In marketing, you don't sell the product, but the product's perception
> people have.
>
> So what could be the plan ?
>
> I would say, in that order :
>
> -up to date documentation
> -user friendly documentation
> -more exemples for beginners
>

branch:
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/repo?p=wicket.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/reference-guide
current state: http://martin-g.github.com/wicket-reference-guide/

I'll probably be able to document a topic or at most two per week.
Then based on the types of questions in the mailing lists I'll update the
docs and add more topics.


>
> and, once it's done, I repeat, once it's done,
>

> -marketing slides for decision makers
> -more buzz in any java/web forum to promote wicket
>
>
> François
>
> Le 5 févr. 2013 à 09:52, "Chris Colman" <chr...@stepaheadsoftware.com> a
> écrit :
>
> >> your loosing the focus pretended to be justify before: "marketing",
> >> not tech. and many people "first see", later "think" :)
> >
> > I think the problem is that most good software engineers see 'beauty' in
> > the elegant component based, object oriented architecture of Wicket - we
> > can all go "oooh" and "aaaah" just thinking about how truly beautiful
> > Wicket has been 'engineered'.
> >
> > We see beauty beyond the external presentation.
> >
> > People out in the real world however, or developers who don't get the
> > "oooh/aaah" value from elegant design and architecture, are usually
> > 'beauty is only skin deep' people - and given then don't care about
> > elegant engineering 'under the hood' their evaluation of the 'goodness'
> > of something is based totally on the appearance of the 'skin'.
> >
> > I think we have to grasp the concept that there are two different types
> > of people and they're on opposite ends of the spectrum - the less
> > 'engineering' someone is the more they crave 'funky look and feel'.
> >
> > Because of the above, and maybe I'm going out on a limb here, IMHO
> > Wicket's much wider adoption is totally reliant on improving the Wicket
> > website's 'looks' to newcomers on their first visit.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
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