As much as people don't like seeing a thread derailed, I think people also don't like seeing comments like "take it to your blog."
I'd rather see a message that expresses "please, no personal attacks" than those that express "go back to where you came from." I guess what I'm saying is that if you see something you don't like you should ignore it or talk about it. I just don't think telling someone to take it somewhere else is the appropriate answer. (though I could maybe be convinced otherwise, any thoughts?) After all, this is a discussion group and discussions should flow freely. The linear thread style of gmail (which most of us probably use) makes it difficult to ignore certain branches of a thread. Until the format changes, we have to accept that those branches will be whipping us in the face once in a while. On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Unsurprisingly I dont subscribe to the idea that arguments like these get in > the way of > other discussions or devalue them. If that happens, its because people > choose to let it > distract them. > > Its fair enough that when things get nasty/ugly, some peoples reactions is > to get the > negative poop out of their lives, either by trying to shut others up, or by > leaving, or > whatever. Its some sort of natural internal defense I guess. > > I was always up for forums rather than a signle list, though for different > reasons, and not > optimistic about it actually ever happening. Even with forums, arguments, > spill over to > other areas and the vibe-poisoning effect is stillt he same. > > But would a world without such confrontations be a good thing? I think not, > I think in a > strange way it is necessary for people to get ugly to get to the bottom of > things. A world > in which nobody argues is a world in which unspeakable horrors are likely > to go unchecked > because they are unpalatable to think about. If liberals save the planet > then maybe I will > change my tune, and if everyone was as decent a human as you then this > ugliness would > not be necessary (not being sarcastic there, I think you have a great > personality), but for > now I remain sadly on the side that believes you get to learn a lot from > uglyness. > > Cheers > > Steve Elbows > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Great list of purposes for this group. Really well thought out. > > > > The last item is gossip & fight. Gossip can be positive, more often > > than fighting, and can lead to interesting discussions. > > > > And gossip is generally done here in a friendly spirit. > > > > Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in > > the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I > > think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. > > And not duplicate it here, just link. > > > > (Unless someone else brings it as a matter of interest. Like happened > > with Lan & Podtech. He never brought it here, or discussed it here. > > And actually, the Podtech discussion, as heated as it got, stayed very > > impersonal and stuck to the issues, for the most part.) > > > > When I was a newbie here in spring/summer 05, I saw the fighting and > > thought 'these people are weird'. If No 1 is to help people start > > videoblogging, this kind of stuff is totally counterproductive. In my > > humble opinion ;) > > > > Rupert > > http://twittervlog.tv > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <jay.dedman@> wrote: > > > > > > > We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got > > > > something negative to say about another person, about their > > > > motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging > > > > match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open > > > > and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. > > > > > > andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 > > > i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. > > > We are trying to help each other do better than before. > > > > > > after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I > > > thought the Videoblogging list was for: > > > 1. help new people to start videoblogging > > > 2. discuss new tech and its implications > > > 3. discuss what we need...and build it! > > > 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after > > > we agree what it is) > > > 5. discuss creator's rights > > > 6. gossip and fight > > > > > > we are certainly a chaotic crowd and "gossip and fight" is just a > > group dynamic. > > > doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for it....but here we are. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > -- > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > 917 371 6790 > > > Video: http://ryanishungry.com > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman > > > Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ > > > RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 > > > > > > > > >
