Again the people I work with are all very small. They simply can not invest any more money in hosting or other services unless they could literally be guaranteed a profit from day 1 and I can't see how to work that. As a practical matter I don't see how going through a 2nd party would be safe for the users as things can change and what happens if they no longer exist in two years? I can't say my folks will be making or distributing films in two years, but since they own the lifetime streaming rights, they can sell it now.
As for the Canadian issue, it will cut down on the number of titles I could sell for streaming because not all have Canadian rights ( two are French so you can imagine the fun of that) but beyond that it is not a problem because we can do both the streaming and PPR in one package. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Marilyn Nasserden < marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca> wrote: > Hi again, > I must admit that I was thinking mostly about educational video when I > last responded. For feature films, I would like to try providing access > to streamed feature films via a mega-service similar to the home video > on demand services to support the University - but with educational PPR > and hosting provided. Would it be possible for you to work with an > established service? In this case we might consider the more limited > access to a particular class for a particular period of time. It seems > unwieldy to work with different vendors/distributors/producers, all with > their possibly varying payment and technical specifications; > uniformity/streamlined processes can really help a library want to > subscribe or otherwise acquire your product. > > As a Canadian university, we have two annual licenses which cost a fair > bit that cover most feature films used in the classroom. I'm not sure > how this would fit with a streaming feature film video service. It > occurs to me that you may not be interested in the Canadian situation > but we're interested in streaming video! :) > > Best, > Marilyn > > -- > Marilyn Nasserden > Head, Visual& Performing Arts > Libraries and Cultural Resources > 25 MacKimmie Library Block > University of Calgary > 2500 University Drive NW > Calgary, Alberta, CANADA > > marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca > Phone: (403) 220-3795 > > > On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: > > what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming > anything from Citizen Kane&City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social > Network. > > > > Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD. > > > > Matt > > > > ______________________________ > > Matt Ball > > Media and Collections Librarian > > University of Virginia > > mattb...@virginia.edu<mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu> > > 434-924-3812 > > > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "Jessica Rosner"<jessicapros...@gmail.com > <mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist > out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in > this kind of situation. > > Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without > a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use > > and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would > probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have > had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see > institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. > > > > Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that > pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used > in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what > do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything > from Citizen Kane&City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I > can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever > doing lifetime rights. > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw)<<mailto: > jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu<mailto: > jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>> wrote: > > Jessica, > > > > The three "biggies" for us are: > > > > --rights in perpetuity > > --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University > (not just those students registered for a specific course) > > --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice > > > > Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. > Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an > MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. > > > > Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. > > > > As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't > possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for > streaming. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt > > > > > > ______________________________ > > Matt Ball > > Media and Collections Librarian > > University of Virginia > > <mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu>mattb...@virginia.edu<mailto: > mattb...@virginia.edu><mailto:<mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu> > mattb...@virginia.edu<mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu>> > > 434-924-3812 > > > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica Rosner"<<mailto: > jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto: > jessicapros...@gmail.com><mailto:<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com> > jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would > like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but > mostly documentaries > > and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, > but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about > six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and > sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for > around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of > these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices > seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra > (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for > multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime > rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have > to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for > less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as > going on password protected system and accessible only to students or > faculty using them for a specific > > course. > > > > Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These > filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they > would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and > put on its own system. > > > > I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you > are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. > > > > You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. > > email is<mailto:<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com> > jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> <mailto: > jessicapros...@gmail.com> jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto: > jessicapros...@gmail.com><mailto:<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com> > jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> > > > > -- > > Jessica Rosner > > > > <ATT00001..txt> > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jessica Rosner > > Media Consultant > > 224-545-3897 (cell) > > 212-627-1785 (land line) > > <mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto: > jessicapros...@gmail.com> > > > > <ATT00001..txt> > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
