I only want to use it!  Like I said, I took its advice and double tapped on 
things,  which didn't respond.  if an edit field you double tap on doesn't 
open for you to edit,  it's not a lot of good.

That's about it;  the ehlp didn't say any more - tap this, double tap the 
other - it's frustrating until we know  what commands it is sharing with VO 
and how you get around it.  I just want to know how existing users make it 
work?

RobH.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandra...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: PlainText app?


Hi. It is hard for me to give you more instructions without knowing what you 
want to do. If you have any clear questions feel free to ask on or off list 
and I will be glad to help anyway I can.
Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Rob Harris <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I've been fiddling with this and can't get it to do anything consistently
> yet.  It says double-tap to do whatever;  and I double-tap,  a text input
> field for example,  and it does nothing, still says double tap to edit. 
> How
> is this meant to be done. I know all manner of menus or functions are 
> meant
> to pop up,  and did it once,  but out of the blue when nowhere near what I
> thought I was doing.
>
> Any clarifications on this please?
>
> Taa! R!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandra...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Notes question
>
>
> HI,
>
> I use plaintext for long documents. On iphone 4 it was getting slow after 
> it
> became longer. Have not tried on the 5.
> I have not found a good way to find a specific spot in a file other than
> arrowing with the keyboard. However, I found that it does remember where 
> you
> left the cursor even after exiting the app. Have not tested if it does so
> with multiple files.
>
> Hope this helps. I love the dropbox integration!
>
> Best,
>
> Ioana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Rob Harris <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is more or less my thing too.  If I open a lengthy file, I want to
>> get
>> to my place quickly and easily,  edit or modify quickly and easily,
>> insert
>> and import, or even export text to and from it;  sort of normal editing
>> features we've been able to do for years, until we got  the pocket 
>> device.
>>
>> Anybody doing this like I describe?  Using the cmd-arrow keys for block
>> marking would have mileage,  so would unix and wordstar concepts like
>> block
>> start and block end using ctrl-B and K respectively.  The Wordstar one 
>> did
>> try to be intuiative about it.
>>
>> RobH.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Denny Schwab" <denny.sch...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Notes question
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't think it is a limitation of the Notes application.  This
>> problem never happened before 6.0.
>>
>> As far as what I want to do... I write stories and such in Notes.  I
>> used Pages for a while, but got tired of dealing with the
>> accessibility issues there.  I want to use something I can use ICloud
>> to have on both my Mac and my IPhone.
>>
>> On 10/26/12, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
>>> control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
>>> unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
>>> long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
>>> familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
>>> to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
>>> in Emacs!
>>>
>>> On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a
>>>> number of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want.
>>>> :)
>>>> Are you just looking to take notes or actually put together some
>>>> documents? You have such an array of options I think it might help to
>>>> know
>>>> what options you are looking for. You have options such as Elements,
>>>> which
>>>> is an editor that uses DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of
>>>> suggestions. You might also look at http://www.applevis.com and sort
>>>> through the app directory.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real
>>>>> text
>>>>>
>>>>> editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a
>>>>> word
>>>>> processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
>>>>> scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so
>>>>> on,
>>>>> would be ideal for this.
>>>>> Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when 
>>>>> you
>>>>> get
>>>>> used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
>>>>>
>>>>> RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <scottn3...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Notes question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem
>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>> affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility
>>>>> that
>>>>> 10
>>>>> pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more
>>>>> investigation
>>>>> required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to
>>>>> handle
>>>>> that much text. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris <bobs...@googlemail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
>>>>>> buffer
>>>>>> is from which it  does it's TTS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I
>>>>>> asked
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Fred Olver" <goodfo...@charter.net>
>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Notes question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the 
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> getting used up while in the app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Denny Schwab" <denny.sch...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Notes question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
>>>>>>> issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
>>>>>>> catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or 
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit 
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>> to catch up to where I stopped typing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Denny
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