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On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: This has nothing to do with Apple versus Windows. In a 32-bit chip, you only have 32 bits to use when loading an address into a register. This means that you can only access 4 gigabytes of memory on a 32-bit chip using just one register access. There are techniques that can be used to get to more memory from a 32-bit chip or a 32-bit operating system but these involve memory mapping and start impacting performance. Note that the 5s may appear faster than the 5, but this will be due to a faster chip and not the fact that it's 64-bit. I doubt very much anyone will notice a performance increase because of the 64-bit chip. This will come down the road later. On 09/17/2013 11:14 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Hi, I believe the 4gb of memory access applies to Windows-based > operating systems and not Apple devices. But I am just spewing out what > I think I know. It's true that in Windows if you have a 32-bit system > and more than 4gb of ram, only the first 4gb will be used, but 64-bit > will use more than 4gb. But isn't this Apples and Oranges, or better > yet, Apples and Windows? > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Everyone's mature until the bubble wrap comes out. - Sheldon Cooper > Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 > > On 9/16/2013 9:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I'm not sure what articles you're reading. I think it's true that you >> won't see any advantage to the iPhone having a 64-bit processor at the >> moment, although I've definitely read articles that say it does speed up >> the finger print scanning and a few other things. >> >> It's absolutely not true though that the only thing you get from a >> 64-bit operating system is the ability to address more than 4G of real >> memory. If you're reading an article that states that then you should >> stop reading because the author clearly doesn't know what they're >> talking about. Obviously, you will be able to address more than 4G of >> memory, but you can also pass more information between processes at one >> time, address a larger file system and so on. When dealing with large >> amounts of data, such as in a database or a spread sheet, there's less >> memory indirection, so there's improved performance. There's a reason >> servers, desktops and laptops have all gone to 64-bit processors, >> operating systems and applications, and it isn't just marketing. >> >> Just as with PC's, Macs and laptops, the hardware had to move to 64-bit >> before the operating system and applications could start taking >> advantage of it. that's exactly what we're seeing now. You may not see >> advantage to the 64-bit chips in the iPhone today, but it's a necessary >> step to get to the applications that need the additional memory, file >> system size and computing power. >> >> On 09/16/2013 09:32 PM, Mike wrote: >>> From everything I've read 64 bit only makes a difference when your >>> using at or above 4gb of ram. The iPhone definitely doesn't have that >>> much so I really don't get the point of it. >>> I've come across more than one article saying that this is just >>> marketing and won't make a bit of difference in performance. >>> >>> Mike m >>> How to be Blind >>> www.htb2.com >>> Roundtable podcasts, software reviews, accessibility tutorials, and >>> more! >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:54 PM, "Alan Paganelli" >>> <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> They said in the presentation that they wanted to give the iPhone the >>>> power of a desktop only in a mobile. I think it was inevitable. >>>> ------- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>> >>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>> now!!!!! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know >>>> everything. >>>> >>>> Please click on: >>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>> played on >>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly >>>> on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" >>>> <chalt...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:34 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Apple's possible reason for going 64Bit >>>> >>>> >>>>> How so? Is this just because it's 64-bit or is it because of the >>>>> additional features and performance obtained by going to 64-bit? >>>>> >>>>> There was also some marketing going on here as well. It's only a >>>>> matter of time before Samsung and others start taking advantage of >>>>> 64-bit ARM chips in their hand sets, and now Apple can claim to be >>>>> the first. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/16/2013 07:15 AM, Andy Baracco wrote: >>>>>> It could facilitate adoption by the Government as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joseph FreeTech >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 2:35 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Apple's possible reason for going 64Bit >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just came across the following article and decided to post some >>>>>> text I >>>>>> found >>>>>> interesting. The following is the author's reasoning for why Apple >>>>>> added >>>>>> the >>>>>> 64bit chip to the new iPhone: for new features to work, Apple >>>>>> absolutely >>>>>> had >>>>>> to begin using the 64bit chip. >>>>>> >>>>>> "But here's the difference. Apple needs 64-bit for fingerprint >>>>>> authentication as well as the camera features the company has added >>>>>> to the >>>>>> latest iPhone. In other words, 64-bit is an enabler to features >>>>>> that may >>>>>> matter to the masses. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's also an enterprise play here too. With 64-bit and fingerprint >>>>>> authentication, Apple can make a good security case to companies as >>>>>> well as >>>>>> support end-to-end virtual private networks. Third party support will >>>>>> determine if Apple has more enterprise mojo due to 64-bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple did make the iPhone 5S backward compatible and developers can >>>>>> reportedly transition apps to 64-bit easily. There's a good reason >>>>>> for that >>>>>> move: 64-bit is a selling point in only limited cases. Like the PC >>>>>> industry >>>>>> saw, the ecosystem has to catch up to 64-bit and that can take >>>>>> years." >>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/the-iphone-5s-goes-64-bit-will-it-matter-7000020497/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joseph >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>>> chaltain at Gmail >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> "VIPhone" Google Group. >>>>> >>>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> >>>>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>>>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> >>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> >>>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.the bit question brings up a question not necessarily related to iPhone, but I really need to know. I want to download Jaws as a demo and see both 32 bit and 64 bit. How do I know what to download? I would not even thought the 5s was different if it was not talked about. If it is faster, I would just be ecstatic and not know why. :) Will have a lot of questions tomorrow about how to get everything that can be used on an iPad on the iPad! Just a warning! I am getting iPad tomorrow and hope it has more room than my little 4s. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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