Hi listers, I've read this thread with a lot of intrest and want to give my personal thoughts.
First of all, it is great those days to see that mainstream companies step into Accessibility. Who had thought this 10 years ago. Apple did an fantastic job, since 2009 we have access to touchscreen devices and that is great. they made a high quality screen reader solution and made the standard high for others like Google. But since ios5 and also since Lion on the mac, VoiceOver feels sometimes like a beta. Features that worked before, didn't work anymore on the new release. I know software developemnt isn't easy, and when fixing bugs, you'll create an other one. Those bugs are reported by serveral users more often, but aren't fix in a new release or update. Let me give some examples: You all know the tts bug for email addresses back in ios4. @gmail.com became @gmai.l. This bug was fixed in Ios 5, when Lion came out that same bug was present. In the upgrade to ml, this bug was fixed for some languages, but not all and now with the release to 10.9, this bug is still alive for some languages. Since Ios6 we have the punctuation feature, but when you have your punctution set to some VoiceOver will read ' somewhere. Now on Ios7 the bug is still there. Now in Ios7 we have the ability to have more then one high quality voice for use with vo, there is also a setting where you can specify the speech rate for that particular voice, but that feature doens't work. Why giviing that option? On the mac, in some area's you can't use the trackpad to activiate an control, bug since they redesigned the extra menu in ml, but still alive in 10.9. What I'm trying to say is that we have to be thankfull for the accessibility they gave, but also give them a message that more quality control have to be done. Someone mentioned, becomme an Apple Developer and you can test beta's, I think this is not where devs account @ apple are made for. Secondly, I need my phone or my Ipad or mac to do my job. When you are running a beta, there can be some cases that your phone or mac or whatever is in a state hwere you can't do your job. If an Iphone was 200 euro's well I'll buy one, for testing things. Maybe they should first concentrate on stability and reliability and then adding new features. A bit of the Gw Micro way of thinking. An other thing I would like to see is that VoiceOver become a separate software bundle like google did with Talkback. It is a part of the os, but the release cycle is faster. So bugs can be addressed sonner without waiting a year for a major release. In short my thoughts and oh yeah, the bugs I escribed where a few ;) kr -Peter On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:53:29AM -0500, David L Minton, Jr wrote: > OkPablo, The only reason you pay full price for the phone is cause > you do not want to have a contract with a carrier. If that cause > you are the one to be a fault for complaining that the cost is to > high. There is nothing in this world that is perfect. Thinks have > to start somewhere and things have to be fixed to keep them running > up to par. I have the same phone and sixe you have. Like I said , > you are the one to choose to pay full price instead of the upgrade > price through your carrier. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales" > <pablomorale...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? > > > If apple charge the same money than other business, I can agree what you > say. But apple is not the cheaper or the standard price for their products. > Of course, I feel that I have right of say that I am in disagreement when I > pay a thousand dollars for a phone, and I have to be fighting with the > accessibility, when it was working better in previous versions of IOs. > Yes, I feel that I have right to be saying that I don't like it. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Cc: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? > > > In addition, do you really think iOS is perfect if you are not using VO? > There are bugs in it and the new Mac OS release for sighted people as well, > some very long-standing. Just because there are bugs in accessibility does > not mean that Apple doesn't care about accessibility or does not take it > seriously, because if you extend that logic, then bugs anywhere must mean > they don't care about any of their software. Voiceover is no different from > any other aspect of Apple's products: it is mostly great, it has bugs, they > fix the bugs, they update, more bugs come along, and the cycle continues. > That's true of all software anywhere. > > Sent from my iPhone > > >On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:01, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >With respect, let me go through some of the things below. In > >regards to hanging up a call. Yes, I have notice that doing a 2 > >finger double tap doesn’t always hang up a call on the first try. > >Generally, the second try will do the trick. About phone numbers > >in a text, turn the rotor to links, flick down to the number, and > >double tap and hold. A dialog appears asking you if you want to > >call, text, or save the number to contacts. This is not a bug. > >If you don’t like the way its now done that’s one thing. But it > >isn’t broken. > > > >Web forms? Yes. This is definitely buggy in IOS 7. There is no > >excuse for that. But I will continue to say, I think some people > >on the list have very short memories. Remember all the bugs that > >were found in IOS 6 when it first launched? I’m sorry, bugs in > >software is just a fact of life at launch. There have been a > >couple minor updates. But we are still on a .0 release. Can we > >at least hold off until 7.1 comes out so we can see what’s what? > >And about the persons Nokia phone, last time I checked, it was > >running a dead OS, a non existent app store in which I bet the > >accessible apps were slim pickings indeed. I say this just to > >point out, if you want to take 3 or 4 bugs, and compare it to an > >operating system that no longer being supported, that’s fine. > >But, anyone can do that. > > > >JMO > > > >Ricardo Walker > >rica...@appletothecore.info > >Twitter:@apple2thecore > >www.appletothecore.info > > > >>On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Pablo Morales > >><pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>Yes, it is that I have been saying since IOs 6 came. Looks like > >>every time apple write a new code, with new developers, and the > >>accessibility problems every time are worse. They are not > >>learning of the previous IOs experiences, they are not paying > >>attention to it, or they want to become the accessibility in > >>something that another company will care. With IOs 7, I am > >>getting the same problems than you, and bunches of others. But > >>the response that I found is that every IOs brings bugs. It is a > >>very poor excuse, because with IOs 7, is when I have been taking > >>more problems to access information with my apple devices. > >>Apple wants that every year, every body update the IOs, saying > >>that not more support for older versions of the IOs, but at the > >>same time, we have to be suffering during the year, the bugs > >>that every IOs brings, we come to the end of the year, and start > >>again with another IOs. It is not fir. > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: <sen...@gmail.com> > >>To: "ViPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:40 AM > >>Subject: When will Apple take this seriously? > >> > >> > >>This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with > >>the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that > >>have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. > >>It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions > >>are compromised. > >>1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended > >>the call but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing > >>situations and also a drain on my wallet due to large long > >>distance call charges. > >>2. When I get phone numbers in a text message, I should be able > >>to call or message or store the number with a tap. No! I could > >>do it with my 6 year old Nokia better. > >>3. Entering data in a web form has become a nightmare. With my > >>previous phones running Talks I could do much better. I pay 10 > >>times to get a iphone and guess what? I can do less with it! > >>Very frustrating. > >>This list could go on and on. . . . New models will launch, new > >>IOS versions will roll out. . . But the shortcomings and bugs > >>will stick with us. Technology for the sake of technology. But > >>no technology for the visually challenged. Wish someone would > >>charge more but make a phone that works. 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