As I indicated before, I hesitated in posting about the fallacies of Darwinian
Evolution in this forum as I find this forum extremely useful and don't want to
clutter it with other subjects. There is no need to ask me to stop as I have
stopped and said I will only respond to any question posted about it.
Besides, the point that I wanted to make was clearly illustrated.
While, I respect and admire you, I wished you had been more unbiased. If I
being an adherent of Intelligent Design and beleiver were to violate the rules
of civility of this forum and suggested to James to contort and perform that
unmanageable sexual act, I would be roundly criticized and asked to leave, and
no doubt by you. Am I not right?
Where is the unbiased, moral outrage from you regarding the blatant violation
of the rules of civility of this forum?
Demonstrate to me that you can be level-headed and demand an apology from James
and my admiration meter for you will jump.
While an apology from James is not required for me to refrain from discussing
this topic, the lack of moral outrage from members regarding its absence will
greatly diminish my respect for members of this forum and further serve to
reinforce my assessment that members here are not really as open-minded as they
claim to be.
Jojo
BTW, what do you mean by OR/OR dispute?
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Gluck
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
Dear Jojo,
I would friendly suggest you to you to stop this discussion from the simple
reason that
the analogy is not valid.
Hot Fusion and Cold Fusion (LENR) are both real and possible, alternative, in
a way complementary solutions.
Evolution and Intelligent Project are opposites,mutually exclusive- and we
(you too)
can find hundreds of forums to discuss this subject ad infinitum. I am
reading Skeptic Magazine but my good friend G. who is a famous baptist preacher
keeps me informed with ID.
I think this was the first time this OR/OR dispute
was mentioned on this forum. But the analogy will not help.
Peter
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OH my! What is your major malfunction? Are you experiencing major
cognitive dissonance? The Darwinian Evolution Religion you've pledge yourself
to is not as factual as you thought it was? Did I just hit a central nerve?
I thought we were discussing with civility? I guess I just pissed you off too
much with facts and logic.
OK. Whatever.
Jojo
PS. Folks, if James' response does not illutrate my point enough, nothing
will. Darwinian Evolution is a religion to its adherents. When someone brings
up a good point of logic, they experience major cognitive dissonance and react
like this.
Parks experiences this everytime someone brings up evidence for Cold
Fusion. Darwinists experience this when they can not answer a valid criticism
of its Darwinian religion.
The parallel has been clearly illustrated. My point is proven.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
OK, so you don't think you need an experiment.
Go fuck yourself.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am unsure about your point or what you are asking.
What exactly is your discussion point or what exactly is your question?
Of course,there are strong inference. For example, if you find the
presence of Information in DNA, that is an inference for Intelligent Designer,
not Darwinian Evolution based on randon chance mutations. Random processes
never create Information, because information is "Order", the exact opposite of
Randomness.
For instance, the assembling of random letters into a coherent sentence
requires the input of an Intelligent being. If your throw a bunch of Scrabble
letters on the ground, the following 2 sentences have equal chance of occuring.
"There is a God"
"ethresi da Go" - (No, this is not a foreign language. This
is a random mixture of the same letters above.)
What is the difference between the 2 sentences above. Nothing as far
as randon chance is concerned. Yet for an Intelligent Entity, there is a huge
difference. What differentiates the 2 sentences? It is Information of course.
There is information in the first sentence that conveys an idea? And Ideas
are the purvue of Intelligent Beings.
Now, do this with 4 letters and create a sentence 600,000 letters long;
you might begin to understand the complexity and the remarkable presence of
Information in our DNA.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
No. I'm talking about the scientific technique of strong inference.
In strong inference you are not simply testing a hypothesis. You are
admitting multiple hypotheses in the formulation of your experiments and
attempting to most economically compare them. It is legitimate, of course, to
have any number of experiments to achieve this comparison.
In this case, there are two hypotheses: Darwinian Evolution and
Intelligent Design.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Distinguish what from what?
Are you asking if there are experiments in Darwinian Evolution and
experiments in Intelligent Design?
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
Jojo,
Where is the controlled experiment that distinguishes between the
two? There are LOTS of controlled experiments demonstrating cold fusion.
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
