Eric, you bring up a concept that has been on my mind this morning. I was trying to come up with any way that energy could be delivered by the Papp while leaving the gas cool. The only idea that remotely made sense was if there were two power strokes with the design. The first one is traditional where the excess gas pressure pushes the piston outward. The second might be achieved if the gas then proceeded to suck the piston backwards toward the bottom of the cylinder. If I recall some of the original steam engines used suction for their power strokes.
For this idea to have any chance, there must be a load attached to the piston rod that drives a flywheel. The first push makes the flywheel accelerate in one direction. The suck occurs at a time that also contributes to the motion of the flywheel. A system of that sort would have two power strokes which has the potential to make it powerful due to the number of energy hits per second. We need to do further thinking about the thermodynamics of such a thing as I expect that a flaw will become evident soon. Such as, why would we expect the active gas to return to near its original temperature? If the process is totally adiabatic then perhaps that is possible. This implies that all of the LENR energy is fed to the flywheel and the gas is acting like the spring in my earlier analogy. It is obviously going to take more thought before I am willing to believe that this proposed process is possible. My gut feeling is that it is not going to work. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:51 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Papp and Water On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:56 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: I suppose that a large capacitor bank could let loose and so some damage, but in this case I recall that mechanical shrapnel did the damage. Most likely this was a result of the engine running at too high of a speed. Yes, when I look again, I see that it's not necessarily liquid, but "a cone of silvery uniform stuff" [1], which could be shrapnel. If you were to turn the piston on its side during an experiment, so that gravity does not play a role, that might control for the problem of stored energy being transferred back and forth with kinetic energy. In this case wouldn't work be done by the popper in either direction? Eric http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html
