I would stick to the plasmoid theory. Anything with an "oid" at the end makes it sound more believable :)
On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Jones Beene wrote: > Whoa. Think about what you claiming Axil.**** > > ** ** > > “Cooling an expanding gas - by adding energy in the form of RF” **** > > ** ** > > LOL. And if that is not enough, splitting the HCl acid molecule back into > elemental form at the same time it is being cooled.**** > > ** ** > > Sure, there is laser cooling of bosons at near absolute zero, but are you > trying to shoehorn that phenomenon – which is not RF to being with and only > happens cryogenically - into a general ability to cool a hot gas with RF, > and at the same time split the HCL back to H2 and Cl2 ? Where is the proof > of this?**** > > ** ** > > You are doubling or tripling the miracles which are needed to make this > thing work. **** > > ** ** > > Even those with an open mind cannot accept that a known conman, Papp - who > claimed to have invented a 300 mph submarine, until that con was exposed - > was next able to invent a first miraculous device which worked with radium, > and then when he could no longer obtain radium, invented a second > miraculous device that worked by recycling hydrochloric acid; but in which > the acid did not attack the metal walls AND in addition, could be split and > cooled at the same time.**** > > ** ** > > Even you cannot believe that is remotely possible !**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Axil Axil **** > > ** ** > > Papp solved the problem of continuity. This mechanism of reinvigoration of > the photo-reactivity of the gases is why the Papp engine works and other > versions of the Papp engines don’t.**** > > > Papp cooled the gas in the return stroke of the cycle by using radio > frequency (RF) in the CB band to reconstitute the photo-active structure of > the gases. **** > > > Cheers: axil**** > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > **** > > The chlorine-hydrogen photoactivated reaction has been known to be a > singularity since the 1930s and yes - it is especially violent, but there > must be a way to reuse the reactants continuously, since the reaction forms > a strong acid otherwise. A fellow named Robert Scragg apparently came close > to commercializing this reaction using solar input - since he recognized > the problem of continuity. Probably he came closer than did Papp (if > chlorine was indeed Papp’s secret, which is doubtful since it does not work > with noble gases) and this was in the same time frame as Papp (40 years > ago).**** > > **** > > http://www.rexresearch.com/scragg/scragg.htm**** > > **** > > The HCl reaction happens once – and AFAIK there is no evidence that it is > reversible for net gain - and therefore how can it be useful in a closed > cycle engine where one needs continuous explosions at 10-50 times per > second? What is a plausible mechanism for returning the hydrochloric acid > back to the elements, without attacking the metal cylinder and piston - and > at this rapid rate of many times per second in a closed cylinder? Scragg > used solar energy with a focusing lens - and that mechanism has some > plausibility.**** > > **** > > The chlorine-hydrogen photoactivated reaction is the only chemical > reaction which is known to produce nuclear reactions (when deuterium is > used in place of hydrogen). Neutrons are “stripped” from the deuterium in > that case. From that detail, one might opine that it is the most powerful > chemical reaction in nature, but to use it in an engine, the reactants > would still need to be recycled somehow in an asymmetric way, and the > engine would become neutron-activated, and radioactive over time.**** > > **** > > Papp was not known to use deuterium, unless he used heavy water. Are you > saying that Papp used heavy water ? If so, where is the evidence? This is > not mentioned in the patent.**** > >
