This Papp conundrum was address during last year’s TeslaTech conference in Albuquerque. In a side demo, Robert Rohner's presentation of his Joseph Papp-based noble gas engine technology. One of the invited panelists attending that demo was a well-regarded Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) specialist with an unblemished reputation and years of experience in evaluating alternative energy technologies, Mike McKubre.
>From the panel, McKubre felt compelled to offer testimony to the validity, promise, power and the mystery of Papp technology. “One of the things that most convinced me that this machine really did operate was an example that Bob told me about. How they were running the machine for Joe Papp and there was a tapping sound. The machine was running; something was banging. Ok, that’s fine. The machine’s running, it’s making a noise. They took it apart, hammered out the offending part, put it back together, and it ran again. Not only was it running, but it was running and the entire internals had been observed. Bob had taken it apart, seen everything that was in there. There are not mice in each cylinder, jumping up and down, making the thing work. It didn’t have any funny business going on. It was, as it seems to be and still is to me, a complete, uh, almost complete mystery. I’m still intrigued, so I what I did was set a test. I said ok, a different group in a similar configuration, if you can show me ten times more energy coming out than the electrical energy input, and my day job is, as I said, is careful measurements of energy. Input energy, output energy. So we set up the test, showed them what to do, made the measurements. And yes, there was at least ten times more energy being produced than electrical input energy. And at that point, I got semi-hooked. So I’ve been following this – following Bob around ever since, waiting for him to produce his machine. And he’s getting close. So I would rate this still as a mystery. I have no idea. Hmm… I have some ideas, but none that I’m willing to make public as this point. But it is clearly a nuclear process. And the power, and benefit and interest in nuclear processes is the energy density of nuclear effects is about ten million times larger than the energy density of chemical processes, which is why you can make claims of a single filling lasting, you know, powering your engine for thousands of hours. Only a nuclear energy source can possibly have that potential. So there is a lot of work to be done. Bob is making good progress. I agree with the gentleman standing at the microphone that this is a power source that mankind needs to have. We need to make a push and get this energy out into the hands of people, I think, in the Third World; this would make so much more of a difference. America is energy-rich, but in the Third World – China, India, for example – machines of this sort to pump water, provide lighting, power, and whatever, would revolutionize the world. So this is a very important task Bob is setting himself and I’m glad he’s continuing.” Cheers: Axil On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > At 8:40 into the video, the power of the Papp reaction is deminstrated. > > The barrel was four feet long, four inches in diameter, made of a three > foot length of 3-inch schedule 50 stainless steel pipe (0.6 inch wall > thickness) anchored and totally encased in a heavy one-foot thick > reinforced concrete containment block. > > The breech was loaded with just 10cc’s of Papp’s "inert" noble gas mix. > For the breech, he used a spare cylinder head from one of his engines; for > a projectile, he machined a piece of steel. > > Papp filled the cylinder head with his gas mix from five separate flasks > and hooked up the power. Then Papp hit the start button. > > "We heard this tremendous explosion. It was a low rumble, like a bass > sound," one witness there said. The projectile jammed halfway up the barrel > and ripped the cannon in half. The back of the gun flared open like a > stainless steel tulip strewn with metal fragments. > > The concrete containment was mostly blasted into the air as a cloud > reduced to rubble and dust. It also punched a crater about 3-feet in > diameter and about 3-feet deep into the rocky desert hardpan and the 1-foot > thick platform of plywood and 2x8 planks upon which all rested was reduced > to a shower of splinters. > > This cannon and everything that Papp did was patented. This official > validation of a LERN technology is unprecedented. > > Cheers: Axil > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If you can beleive your oun eyes, this is how powerful the Papp reaction >> can become as follows: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2tuk31pS2M&feature=player_embedded >> >> cheers: Axil >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >>> You should preface this fantastic work of science fiction with the >>> true story of Josef Papp told here:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papp.html**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> More from the Monograph as follows:**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *Where does the explosive force come from?***** >>> >>> >>> The force produced in the Papp engine comes from the explosion of these >>> clusters of gas and water atoms under the excitation of ultraviolet and >>> x-rays. As the energy of this EMF goes up so does the explosive power of >>> the clusters.**** >>> >>> >>> When TNT explodes, the mass of the expanding gas is high but the speed >>> of the associated shockwave is relatively low.**** >>> >>> >>> On the other hand, the shockwave produced in the Papp cluster explosion >>> reaction is some appreciable fraction of the speed of light even if the >>> mass of the gas ions involved in the cluster fragment expansion is small >>> when compared to what happens in a chemical based explosion.**** >>> >>> >>> Even with these large differences in the parameters in the equation of >>> force, the forces produced in these two dissimilar reactions; that is, >>> between chemical explosion and electromagnetic shockwave generation as a >>> product of the mass and velocity is similar in magnitude. **** >>> >>> >>> The more a cluster is ionized, the easier it is for x-ray photons to >>> further ionize additional electrons in that cluster.**** >>> >>> >>> Energy levels in bulk materials are significantly different from >>> materials in the nanoscale. Let’s, put it this way: Adding energy to a >>> confined system such as a cluster is like putting a tiger in a cage. A >>> tiger in a big zoo with open fields will act more relaxed, because he has a >>> lot of room to wander around. If you now confine him in smaller and smaller >>> areas, he gets nervous and agitated. It's a lot that way with electrons. If >>> they're free to move all around through a metal, they have low energy. Put >>> them together in a cluster and beam x-rays on them, they get very excited >>> and try to get out of the structure. **** >>> >>> >>> In getting to the breaking point, when the ionized cluster eventually >>> reaches an ionization limit where the remaining electrons cannot sustain >>> the structural integrity of the cluster any longer, an explosive >>> disintegration of the cluster and subsequent plasma expansion of the >>> positive ions and electrons which once formed the cluster occurs.**** >>> >>> >>> Multi-electron ionization of molecules and clusters can be realized by >>> photoionization of strong x-ray photons.**** >>> >>> >>> The multi-electron ionization leads to an explosive disintegration of >>> the cluster together with the production of multi-charged atomic ions >>> fragments. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> The kinetic energy of the product ions formed by this explosion is of >>> the order of several or tens eV in a diatomic, hundreds of eV in small van >>> der Waals(VDW) clusters, and 100 KeV to 1 MeV in large (n > 1000) VDW >>> clusters.**** >>> >>> >>> What causes this accelerating weakening of the structure under the >>> onslaught of x-ray photons radiation is “barrier suppression ionization”. >>> **** >>> >>> >>> The initial arrival of x-ray photons begin the formation of plasma that >>> is localized within the cluster itself.**** >>> >>> >>> The electrons initially dislodged by the x-ray photons orbit around the >>> outside of the cluster. These electrons lower the coulomb barrier holding >>> the electrons that remain orbiting the cluster’s inner atoms. These >>> remaining electrons reside in the inner orbits closer in to the nuclei of >>> their atoms. **** >>> >>> >>> Excess electric negative charge in the gas carrying the clusters will >>> also add to the suppression of the coulomb barrier further supporting >>> cascading cluster ionization.**** >>> >>> >>> Papp uses every trick in the book to pack as many electrons in the noble >>> gas mix as he possibly can.**** >>> >>> >>> When enough electrons are removed, the structure of the cluster cannot >>> sustain itself any longer and the cluster explodes.**** >>> >>> >>> In order to take advantage of the energy produced by “barrier >>> suppression ionization”, the designers of the Papp reaction must satisfy >>> two main engineering goals: first, large noble gas clusters must be >>> formulated, and two, copious amounts of high energy x-ray photons must be >>> produced.**** >>> >>> >>> *Where Excess Power Comes From***** >>> >>> >>> The Excess energy might come about when the x-ray photons lower the >>> coulomb barrier during the cluster explosion chain reaction process. >>> “Barrier suppression ionization” changes the way electrostatic charge >>> attraction and repulsion work; that is, it modifies the vacuum energy.** >>> ** >>> >>> >>> When the cluster explodes and the cluster is destroyed and electrons are >>> drained from the gas, the rule of electrostatic charge repulsion returns >>> back to normal **** >>> >>> >>> The bigger the cluster that can be fabricated, the more energy is >>> derived from the cluster explosion chain reaction process because the >>> cluster stays together for a longer time and therefore more energy can be >>> “pulled out of the vacuum”.**** >>> >>> >>> The power that you can get out of the noble gas clusters is >>> exponentially proportional to the intensity of the x-rays that you can >>> produce.**** >>> >>> >>> The more ionization you can produce in the cluster, the higher that the >>> kinetic energy of the exploding ions will have. This energy goes up >>> exponentially with the ionization level.**** >>> >>> >>> With xenon, the ionization level can go up to +40. You can only imagine >>> how powerful those exploding xenon ions can become. The other noble gases >>> behave in a similar way.**** >>> >>> >>> But with helium, there are only 2 electrons, so what we see now in my >>> current experiments are ionization energy levels that are very small.*** >>> * >>> >>> >>> At the end of the day, there are two important parameters that define >>> the level of power that can be produced in the Papp reaction, cluster size >>> and x-ray intensity.**** >>> >>> >>> Noble gas cluster creation and destruction must be an ongoing, >>> repetitive, and endless process in the Papp cylinder.**** >>> >>> >>> Lowering the coulomb barrier is where the energy derived from cold >>> fusion ultimately comes from, and this lowering is caused by electron >>> screening produced by large numbers of high energy electrons.**** >>> >>> >>> Experiment on Xenon explosion processes have found that the energy >>> released by and exploding Xenon cluster is about 2.5 KeV.**** >>> >>> >>> Here are some detailed experimental results involving the explosion of >>> an Xenon cluster.**** >>> >>> >>> How hot is 2.5 KeV?**** >>> >>> >>> 1 eV = 11604.505 Kelvin.**** >>> >>> >>> Xenon Cluster fragments are hot after explosion at >>> (2.500 eV) (11604.505 ) = 29,011,262.5 degrees**** >>> >>> >>> The energy produced when a cluster with 1500 atoms explodes is (2.5 >>> KeV)(1500) = 3750 KeV or 3.75 MeV**** >>> >>> >>> By comparison a uranium atom produces 200 MeV when it fissions.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Cheers: Axil >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil **** >>> >>> >>> First, Papp did not use hydrogen. He may have used chlorine as a secret >>> enhancement.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> In the last patent he specifically used chlorine and water. The water >>> would be the source of hydrogen.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Chlorine produces an excimer laser (sometimes more correctly called an >>> exciplex laser) is a form of ultraviolet laser in the Papp engine when >>> combined with various noble gases.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Yes but these lasers are extraordinarily inefficient. No way are your >>> going to self-power an engine with a laser that is at most 5% efficient >>> (P-in to P-out). **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Where is the source of excess energy?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> >
