David, Gammas that "never" happened might be hidden by relativistic effects.. how much Gamma radiation would the near C paradox twin see? Or more appropriately how much radiation would a twin standing on an event horizon see? What does time dilation do the radiation? The large displacement of an equivalent acceleration gravity well or the near luminal speeds of a spacecraft are needed to compress spacetime in a Haisch- Rueda type theory [car accelerating into rainfall].. the suppression afforded by the Casimir geometry subtracts from said Haisch-Rueda rainfall analogy making a much quicker cheaper way to create a difference in what Puthoff calls vacuum pressure[rainfall], [ether] ..it is the same Pythagorean relationship between time and space without the energy requirements but in a negative direction. The Pythagorean elationship also brings into argument the radiation path since the the spatial -temporal axis perceived by the relativistic protons are out of phase with the spatial- temporal axis we are experiencing here in the macro [unsupressed] world outside the NAE. Would the radiation propagate out away from a reaction forever trapped in that inertial frame shunted past us along what we perceive as the temporal axis or does the radiation experience a lorentzian translation as the compression mitigates with distance from the confinement? Fran
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! >In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a "downer" (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has "strong force interaction" written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling "quark color-change" as seen in RPF as the "quark-quack" reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --------------------------- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture]
