Hi Dave, Realize that I’m only trying to apply a physical, 3-dimentional/geometry, to atoms and subatomic particles in a QUALitative way to explain COMMON observations that don’t have an explanation in QM or Classical models… I have not tried to bring any QUANTitative elements in, which is probably above my pay-grade… but think that would be fun and fruitful. If my model sparks some thoughts by those more mathematically talented, that would be great…
In a plasma, the kinetic E of the individual particles is so high that one has to look at it as totally UNcorrelated movement; nothing is IN-phase. A veritable free-for-all with things flying around in all directions and random collisions … if enough heat (kinetic E) is present, then collisions occur with enough force to result in fusion events. This is the brute-force fusion process that we all are taught, and likely goes on in stars. Now, if you applied an E-field (and perhaps perpendicular B-field) throughout the plasma, then you might be able to get the plasma constituents to align and oscillate in sync, AND, if you then fire a particle (neutron or proton) into that ‘swarm’ of aligned particles, and perpendicular to its oscillation, fusion might be a whole lot easier… My guess is that it would take an extremely strong E/B field to overcome the kinetic energy that has been imparted to the ions/e- that make up the plasma. All atoms (or are we talking just electrons?) want to shed any heat quanta so they are in perfect balance, but they can’t simply shed it to the vacuum… this shedding process MUST involve some kind of coupling to something else (another atom or photon). The situation just prior to formation of the plasma is that, because you’ve added so much energy to each atom, that as soon as one atom sheds a quantum of heat, it immediately gets another quantum from a neighbor… and all the atoms are so ‘out-of-balance’ due to the multiple quantums of heat that each has, that they literally shake themselves apart… voila… plasma. The articles I referenced in my original posting indicate that not only electrons, but quarks (which make up nuclear particles) as well could be dipolar oscillations, only the quarks are oscillating orders of magnitude smaller distance (thus, much smaller nuclear diameter compared to atomic diameter) but orders of magnitude higher frequency. Have you ever played ping-pong/table-tennis? Take a ping-pong ball and drop it on the table, and then take your paddle and quickly restrict the balls vertical movement closer and closer to the tabletop. What happens? The oscillations of the ball speed up. My guess is that if you take the frequency of oscillation of say the H 1s electron, and the diameter of the H-atom (i.e., the physical extent of that oscillation), over a 1 second span of time, it would be a constant. That constant will be somehow harmonically related to the same constant calculated for a quark… much smaller physical distance (diam of nucleus) but much higher frequency. And the speed of light in a vacuum is somehow part of these constants. Could this model be a physical explanation for E=hv??? -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, I like the idea of many individual oscillators being able to take the energy if that is possible. Each of these would have to be at a frequency that is far lower than is normally emitted if a highly energetic gamma is to be replaced. Low frequency oscillators tend to operate a lower speeds by definition and I wonder how quickly the normal high frequency photon would be emitted. Do you have any idea as to why the atom would be coaxed into the slower response than usual? The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. I need a better understanding of how a large amount of energy contained within an excited nucleus can find alternate paths of escape. The gammas tend to dominate escape from plasmas. A metal matrix is far different than a plasma cloud. Dave -----Original Message----- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. Back to Dave’s statement… Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the ‘Collective’ oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com <mailto:dlrober...@aol.com?> ] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! >In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a "downer" (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has "strong force interaction" written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling "quark color-change" as seen in RPF as the "quark-quack" reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --------------------------- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture]
