I thought that the DC issue was put to rest. It can be easily shown that there is not amount of diode trickery which can be put into the control box that will confuse the primary power measurement. DC input has been eliminated so that is not an issue due to direct observation by one or more of the test personnel.
There is noting left to clarify as far as the input is concerned. And you also agree that duty cycle operation is obvious by output waveform picture review. The viewed duty cycle matches that stated within the report. Anyone that suggests a cheese power type scam is not looking at the evidence. Any RF power input would cause serious disruption of the test reading with any change of position of the probes. If that is not seen, the scope would have detected it. It is time for the skeptics to leave this poor horse alone. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Cude <joshua.c...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Cude <joshua.c...@gmail.com> wrote: But when they use 3-phase, when single would do, when the wiring is in place ahead of time, when close associates chose the instruments which are completely inadequate, when the blank run uses different conditions, when the input timing is determined from a video tape, and when the claim is as unlikely as cheese-power, it is ok to be suspicious. Yes. Some of these things legitimately raise questions. No one is claiming the experiment was ironclad. With sufficient information of what transpired, there is a possibility that it was done quite well, despite doubts that people may have. What we have now is a second draft of the writeup, dropped into the Internet. The three-phase power seems like a nonissue to me. I disagree. I can see no need for it to supply thermal energy at 1 kW or less. And it does complicate measurement, and open possibilities for deception. It also forces the experimenters to use a particular mains line, which if tampered with, would not be detected by any other instrumentation. And it makes available much higher input power. It's like using a 500 kW generator to power a megacat with 500 kW claimed output. It invites suspicion in a demonstration that was supposed to be designed to eliminate suspicion. The instruments were not necessarily inadequate if they were used in conjunction with other ones. No other ones were reported in the paper, which was written to validate the claims. We have already heard that Hartmann checked the voltage on the line. I thought he was just talking about the voltage readings from the 830, which don't add much. I haven't been able to keep up though. Maybe I missed something. That would have required stripping it of the shielding, which would have revealed any cheese power trickery. Not so. Tinsel also checked voltages and continuity and frequency in the second video without revealing the trick.
