Of course we have data comparing nearby super nova explosions to those of distant ones. I do not recall anyone finding the delay in relation to the nearby ones. The other issue to consider is that these explosions are extremely energetic. Certainly the amount of time required to tear apart the star is measured in seconds instead of hours.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 1:22 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:A complicated vacuum In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:30:54 -0700: Hi, I suspect that the explanation is far simpler. It takes photons something like 10000 years to exit the sun AFAIK. So photons generated at some distance below the surface are delayed relative to neutrinos generated in the same reaction. I would expect a similar effect to occur during a supernova explosion. In short the slowing doesn't happen in space after they have left the supernova, it happen in the plasma of the supernova itself, before they leave. If this is the correct explanation, then similar delays should be measured for supernova explosions of similar size, irrespective of distance from Earth. >Interesting idea. > >Would light just being absorbed in dust then re-emitted cause a delay ( >highly dispersive, though, I'd guess). > > > > > > > >From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 7:15 AM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [Vo]:A complicated vacuum > > > >Consider the following: Light could be considered the passing of electromagnetic fields through space. Certainly the wavelength gets much larger as the frequency of the emission approaches zero Hertz. If you take into account that the fact that the time of travel appears to be the same for light of varying wavelengths then something like this might be happening: > >As the wave propagates through space it encounters charged particles. Each of these will scatter the wave to a degree due to the interaction of the fields with the charged particles. The net wave shape will become more complex as a result and should exhibit interference patterns. I suspect that this will tend to cause the incoming waves to effectively slow down and approach the average velocity of the matter that it encounters. > >Neutrinos on the other hand are only effected by gravity as far as is known. Could this difference in behavior cause the light to slow down relative to the neutrinos? > > > >Dave > > > > > >....Measurements here on Earth picked up the arrival of both photons and neutrinos from the blast but there was a problem—the arrival of the photons was later than expected, by 4.7 hours... > > > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >protection is active. >http://www.avast.com Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
