Rich What did you say??? "...ease and flexibility, and a thriving active community…" AWESOME!!!
-- Paul Yu Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig) On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Rich wrote: > Hi Kieran, > > That sounds good and would be great if it happened - also be a lot easier on > the pocket ;o) - Obviously not so good for Chuck if he going to lose his > beers tho > > It's great to know there's a community round this side of the globe as well, > I'm very new to WO but already really like it ease and flexibility, and a > thriving active community (obviously with a sense of humor) goes a long way > in my books. > > look forward to meeting some / all of you sometime > Rich > > On 14/03/2012, at 12:42 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > > > We have quite a few WebObjects community folk 'down under' - Quinton Dolan, > > Matthew Ness, Paul Hoadley, Lachlan Deck, Andrew Lindsay ... to name a few > > - we even have one very outspoken guy from this side of the globe who moved > > to Borneo last year - David Avendasora - there is even a possibility that > > WOWODC 2013 might even be 'down under' if David A. follows though on his > > promises ;-) > > > > Cheers, Kieran > > > > PS. We have many Davids in the community, so at least the first letter of > > the last name is needed to properly qualify, otherwise you get a > > EOUtilities.MoreThanOneException. > > > > PPS. There is a high probability that David A. could drink that beer on > > behalf of Chuck if he does indeed organize a WOWODC-Down-Under - and it > > would probably not be his first time drinking Chuck's beer either :-P > > > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd really love to come to Montreal for WOWODC 12, but it's a long way > > > from New Zealand where I live and it's been a pretty tough year for us > > > (we got caught up in the big earthquake in Christchurch which has set us > > > back financially), so unfortunately it's not likely this year, but maybe > > > joining the WOCommunity is an idea as I'll defiantly be looking at using > > > WO for other stuff in the future. > > > > > > Not sure how to get you that beer (or two) from here, but if you have any > > > suggestions (or fancy a trip to NZ) let me know - Otherwise maybe WOWODC > > > 2013 > > > > > > Take care, and I really appreciate your help > > > Rich > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 7:23 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 11:05 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much Chuck, it's now working ..... pheew > > > > > > > > Excellent! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your insight and direction we're spot on. > > > > > > > > > > The problem was that early on when I setup the project I for some > > > > > reason copied the ERExtension framework into the projects App folder > > > > > to make sure it used that particular version, > > > > > > > > Ah.... that explains it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > however as you suggested It wasn't building with the project (As I'd > > > > > presumed it would) - I'm not very familiar with Eclipse and find it > > > > > quite awkward to work with and work out what's going on - Kinda wish > > > > > I could develop WebObjects from XCode ;o) > > > > > > > > Been there, done that, did not like it. :-) Though I will admit that > > > > there are a LOT of variations to how you can set things up in Eclipse > > > > and that can make deployment a confusing time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems so simple now, but I've been pulling my hair out - I'm so > > > > > relived and if there is any way I could buy you a beer (or two or > > > > > three I will (Let me know). > > > > > > > > I will suggest that you come to WOWODC this year, > > > > http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc12/ > > > > You can buy my a beer if you want to (I will drink it!) but even better > > > > you can learn a ton and meet some really talented developers. A lot of > > > > us also do iOS so you can also learn how others use that with WO and > > > > make some great contacts and friends. And Montreal is an awesome city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also just realized your the author of the Practical Webobjects book > > > > > which will now be my next purchase > > > > > > > > Some things are a bit out of date (tools), but I hope you will find it > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 6:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 10:12 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so my UNIX classpath is as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # JVM == java > > > > > > > > # JVMOptions == > > > > > > > > # JDB == jdb > > > > > > > > # JDBOptions == > > > > > > > > # ApplicationClass == jaboo.proto.websvc.Application > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Resources/Java/ > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Resources/Java/_jabooprotowebsvc.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Resources/Java/commons-codec-1.3.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Resources/Java/commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Resources/Java/mysql-connector-java-5.1.13-bin.jar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaEOAccess.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaEOControl.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaFoundation.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaJDBCAdaptor.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaWebObjects.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/WebServerResources/Java/javaxml.jar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, yes it is ERExtensions.framework (with and 's') > > > > > > > BUT, there is no ERExtensions.jar file under the Resources/Java/ > > > > > > > - No JAR file in under here at all (Just done a search) > > > > > > > Just two further directories com & er with more files and > > > > > > > sub-directories under them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I _think_ that might mean that you don't have the Wonder frameworks > > > > > > installed (e.g. the built .framework versions, not the source > > > > > > projects). See the bottom of > > > > > > http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WONDER/Getting+the+Wonder+Source+Code > > > > > > and the installation instructions here: > > > > > > http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WO/Building+and+Installing+a+Framework+with+Ant > > > > > > > > > > > > Do that on your dev machine and rebuild the deployment bundle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Resources folder has lots of files with .wo extensions though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 5:59 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 9:50 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mmm, OK I've rebuilt and my Unix classPath is showing all > > > > > > > > > APPROOT/xxx for the frameworks, however it DOESN"T have an > > > > > > > > > entry for the ERXExtension framework in there - Should it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd hope so, that is where the ERXContext* classes live! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've defiantly got an ERXExtension.framework folder in my > > > > > > > > > APPROOT/Frameworks folder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EXExtensions with an S on the end, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is under that? Is there a Resources/Java/ERXExtensions.jar > > > > > > > > file? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just finishing fixing up the permissions and about to try and > > > > > > > > > run it up again to see what happens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is hoping... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 5:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 9:24 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give that a try now, I didn't have all the check > > > > > > > > > > > ticked. > > > > > > > > > > > Also my Unix ClassPath (from you previous message) was > > > > > > > > > > > showing a mix of locations for the frameworks, so > > > > > > > > > > > hopefully this will sort that out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ERExtensions one is the most critical right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 5:19 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant all of the ones that your app is using, > > > > > > > > > > > > including the WebObjects frameworks that it is using. > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal is one self contained directory. There are not > > > > > > > > > > > > transitive dependancies between frameworks so if a > > > > > > > > > > > > framework is NOT included in your application project, > > > > > > > > > > > > then you don't need it. This should take care of it > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <PastedGraphic-9.pdf> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 9:15 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say "Embed the Framework (All of them)" you > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean only the ones relevant to my App right? - or do > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean ALL of the Wonder frameworks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/03/2012, at 4:48 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 2012-03-12 à 23:29, Chuck Hill a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rich, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-12, at 8:09 PM, Rich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my first post to this list, so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apologies if my protocol is not correct, or I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not much of a worry about that around here, we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't bite. This is not your average place on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been pulling my hair out for nearly a week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now as I can't get my WO application running on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Linux server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deployment is almost always a source of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration and anguish. You are not alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a Noobie to WebObjects (1st project), and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed a back end web-service for an iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / iPad application prototype project I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contracted to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The project is at the point of completion, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been trying to make the WO application > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Which runs just fine in Eclipse), work on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deployment server so I can hand it over (The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux machine is running in VMWare). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I have followed (several times), the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Setup' and 'Deployment' instructions on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WO/Deploying+on+Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and think that I have everything deployed OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Application and frameworks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will gently suggest that this is your first and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > root problem. Embedding the frameworks (all of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them!) in the Application can avoid so very many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > headaches. And who likes a painful deployment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I start up the WO application instance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the Java Monitor it seems to launch OK - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The application log seems to have no issues and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > states the URL and "Waiting for requests...", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just when I make a request (GET) just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using a browser, I don't get any response data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - No error at all in the browser, just an empty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / blank page - I know I should be getting some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data back as there's data to serve for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should be getting something back, even if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just a short error message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The WO application is a fairly simple and has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been based upon the ERRestRouteExample included > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the ProjectWonder sources, but as I said I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know the application runs just fine if launched > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form Eclipse (with the Eclipse http engine). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a suspicion it's something in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache setup, but I can't for the life of me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think / see what it is - I'm not even use I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need Apache as I don't need to serve any HTTP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages, just JSON response data (Please correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me if I'm wrong) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not your Apache config. For a small site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't strictly need Apache. But when you get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger and want to run multiple instances of your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application to scale up, then you want Apache (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that helps to distribute the load, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache is probably the easy, cheap option here). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know requests are getting through to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux server (checked with tcpdump), and I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see the request in the WO application log with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following error, which I can't see to find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere on the net. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2012-3-13 2:40:43 GMT+00:00] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <WorkerThread14> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > java.lang.InstantiationError: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create ERXWOContext54 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that means (and yeah, it is freaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obscure) that the version of Wonder that is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your dev machine is much older than what is on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the server. Check the size/date of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ERExtensions.framework/Resources/Java/erextensions.jar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also check your app for code like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > setContextClassName("ERXWOContext54"); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.createContextForRequest(WOApplication.java:2039) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.createContextForRequest(ERXApplication.java:2083) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.handleActionRequestError(ERXApplication.java:1735) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOActionRequestHandler._handleRequest(WOActionRequestHandler.java:245) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOActionRequestHandler.handleRequest(WOActionRequestHandler.java:158) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > er.extensions.appserver.ERXDirectActionRequestHandler.handleRequest(ERXDirectActionRequestHandler.java:126) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.dispatchRequest(WOApplication.java:1687) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(ERXApplication.java:2021) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXApplication.java:1986) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.runOnce(WOWorkerThread.java:144) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.run(WOWorkerThread.java:226) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 13 02:40:43 Jaboo[2002] WARN NSLog - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <WOWorkerThread id=14 socket=null> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Workerthread exiting due to error, respawning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with ID 10014... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exception in thread "WorkerThread14" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [java.lang.InstantiationError] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ERXWOContext54:java.lang.InstantiationError: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create ERXWOContext54 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bypassed Apache and wotaskd and am just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing a DirectConnection (which I've enabled) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the application > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would really appreciate any help of guidance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on how to troubleshoot further.. as I'm about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to lose what little hair I've got left - my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time is running out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warmest regards and a big hug to anyone who can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help (please..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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