Yea, I don't know anyone well enough to call them deranged.... not just yet anyway! ;o)
On 14/03/2012, at 9:46 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > Rich > > What did you say??? "...ease and flexibility, and a thriving active > community…" AWESOME!!! > > -- > Paul Yu > Sent with Sparrow > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Rich wrote: > >> Hi Kieran, >> >> That sounds good and would be great if it happened - also be a lot easier on >> the pocket ;o) - Obviously not so good for Chuck if he going to lose his >> beers tho >> >> It's great to know there's a community round this side of the globe as well, >> I'm very new to WO but already really like it ease and flexibility, and a >> thriving active community (obviously with a sense of humor) goes a long way >> in my books. >> >> look forward to meeting some / all of you sometime >> Rich >> >> On 14/03/2012, at 12:42 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >> >>> We have quite a few WebObjects community folk 'down under' - Quinton Dolan, >>> Matthew Ness, Paul Hoadley, Lachlan Deck, Andrew Lindsay ... to name a few >>> - we even have one very outspoken guy from this side of the globe who moved >>> to Borneo last year - David Avendasora - there is even a possibility that >>> WOWODC 2013 might even be 'down under' if David A. follows though on his >>> promises ;-) >>> >>> Cheers, Kieran >>> >>> PS. We have many Davids in the community, so at least the first letter of >>> the last name is needed to properly qualify, otherwise you get a >>> EOUtilities.MoreThanOneException. >>> >>> PPS. There is a high probability that David A. could drink that beer on >>> behalf of Chuck if he does indeed organize a WOWODC-Down-Under - and it >>> would probably not be his first time drinking Chuck's beer either :-P >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Rich wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I'd really love to come to Montreal for WOWODC 12, but it's a long way >>>> from New Zealand where I live and it's been a pretty tough year for us (we >>>> got caught up in the big earthquake in Christchurch which has set us back >>>> financially), so unfortunately it's not likely this year, but maybe >>>> joining the WOCommunity is an idea as I'll defiantly be looking at using >>>> WO for other stuff in the future. >>>> >>>> Not sure how to get you that beer (or two) from here, but if you have any >>>> suggestions (or fancy a trip to NZ) let me know - Otherwise maybe WOWODC >>>> 2013 >>>> >>>> Take care, and I really appreciate your help >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> On 13/03/2012, at 7:23 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 11:05 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much Chuck, it's now working ..... pheew >>>>> >>>>> Excellent! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Your insight and direction we're spot on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem was that early on when I setup the project I for some reason >>>>>> copied the ERExtension framework into the projects App folder to make >>>>>> sure it used that particular version, >>>>> >>>>> Ah.... that explains it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> however as you suggested It wasn't building with the project (As I'd >>>>>> presumed it would) - I'm not very familiar with Eclipse and find it >>>>>> quite awkward to work with and work out what's going on - Kinda wish I >>>>>> could develop WebObjects from XCode ;o) >>>>> >>>>> Been there, done that, did not like it. :-) Though I will admit that >>>>> there are a LOT of variations to how you can set things up in Eclipse and >>>>> that can make deployment a confusing time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It seems so simple now, but I've been pulling my hair out - I'm so >>>>>> relived and if there is any way I could buy you a beer (or two or three >>>>>> I will (Let me know). >>>>> >>>>> I will suggest that you come to WOWODC this year, >>>>> http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc12/ >>>>> You can buy my a beer if you want to (I will drink it!) but even better >>>>> you can learn a ton and meet some really talented developers. A lot of us >>>>> also do iOS so you can also learn how others use that with WO and make >>>>> some great contacts and friends. And Montreal is an awesome city! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I also just realized your the author of the Practical Webobjects book >>>>>> which will now be my next purchase >>>>> >>>>> Some things are a bit out of date (tools), but I hope you will find it >>>>> useful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 13/03/2012, at 6:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 10:12 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, so my UNIX classpath is as follows: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> # JVM == java >>>>>>>>> # JVMOptions == >>>>>>>>> # JDB == jdb >>>>>>>>> # JDBOptions == >>>>>>>>> # ApplicationClass == jaboo.proto.websvc.Application >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Resources/Java/ >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Resources/Java/_jabooprotowebsvc.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Resources/Java/commons-codec-1.3.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Resources/Java/commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Resources/Java/mysql-connector-java-5.1.13-bin.jar >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/Resources/Java/javaeoaccess.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOAccess.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaEOAccess.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/Resources/Java/javaeocontrol.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaEOControl.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaEOControl.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/Resources/Java/javafoundation.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaFoundation.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaFoundation.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/Resources/Java/javajdbcadaptor.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaJDBCAdaptor.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaJDBCAdaptor.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Java/javawebobjects.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/WebServerResources/Java/JavaWebObjects.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/Resources/Java/javaxml.jar >>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/WebServerResources/Java/javaxml.jar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, yes it is ERExtensions.framework (with and 's') >>>>>>>> BUT, there is no ERExtensions.jar file under the Resources/Java/ - No >>>>>>>> JAR file in under here at all (Just done a search) >>>>>>>> Just two further directories com & er with more files and >>>>>>>> sub-directories under them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I _think_ that might mean that you don't have the Wonder frameworks >>>>>>> installed (e.g. the built .framework versions, not the source >>>>>>> projects). See the bottom of >>>>>>> http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WONDER/Getting+the+Wonder+Source+Code >>>>>>> and the installation instructions here: >>>>>>> http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WO/Building+and+Installing+a+Framework+with+Ant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do that on your dev machine and rebuild the deployment bundle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Resources folder has lots of files with .wo extensions though >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13/03/2012, at 5:59 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 9:50 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mmm, OK I've rebuilt and my Unix classPath is showing all >>>>>>>>>> APPROOT/xxx for the frameworks, however it DOESN"T have an entry for >>>>>>>>>> the ERXExtension framework in there - Should it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd hope so, that is where the ERXContext* classes live! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've defiantly got an ERXExtension.framework folder in my >>>>>>>>>> APPROOT/Frameworks folder >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> EXExtensions with an S on the end, right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is under that? Is there a Resources/Java/ERXExtensions.jar file? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just finishing fixing up the permissions and about to try and run it >>>>>>>>>> up again to see what happens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is hoping... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2012, at 5:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 9:24 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll give that a try now, I didn't have all the check ticked. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also my Unix ClassPath (from you previous message) was showing a >>>>>>>>>>>> mix of locations for the frameworks, so hopefully this will sort >>>>>>>>>>>> that out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The ERExtensions one is the most critical right now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2012, at 5:19 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I meant all of the ones that your app is using, including the >>>>>>>>>>>>> WebObjects frameworks that it is using. The goal is one self >>>>>>>>>>>>> contained directory. There are not transitive dependancies >>>>>>>>>>>>> between frameworks so if a framework is NOT included in your >>>>>>>>>>>>> application project, then you don't need it. This should take >>>>>>>>>>>>> care of it automatically: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <PastedGraphic-9.pdf> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 9:15 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say "Embed the Framework (All of them)" you mean only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ones relevant to my App right? - or do you mean ALL of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder frameworks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2012, at 4:48 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2012-03-12 à 23:29, Chuck Hill a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-03-12, at 8:09 PM, Rich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is my first post to this list, so apologies if my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol is not correct, or I miss something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much of a worry about that around here, we don't bite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not your average place on the Internet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been pulling my hair out for nearly a week now as I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get my WO application running on my Linux server. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deployment is almost always a source of frustration and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anguish. You are not alone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a Noobie to WebObjects (1st project), and developed a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back end web-service for an iPhone / iPad application >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prototype project I was contracted to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The project is at the point of completion, and I've been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to make the WO application (Which runs just fine in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eclipse), work on the deployment server so I can hand it over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The Linux machine is running in VMWare). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I have followed (several times), the 'Setup' and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Deployment' instructions on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WO/Deploying+on+Linux and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that I have everything deployed OK (Application and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frameworks). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will gently suggest that this is your first and root >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. Embedding the frameworks (all of them!) in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Application can avoid so very many headaches. And who likes a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> painful deployment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I start up the WO application instance from the Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitor it seems to launch OK - The application log seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no issues and states the URL and "Waiting for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requests...", it's just when I make a request (GET) just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a browser, I don't get any response data - No error at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all in the browser, just an empty / blank page - I know I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be getting some data back as there's data to serve for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the request. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be getting something back, even if just a short >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The WO application is a fairly simple and has been based upon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ERRestRouteExample included with the ProjectWonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sources, but as I said I know the application runs just fine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if launched form Eclipse (with the Eclipse http engine). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a suspicion it's something in my Apache setup, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't for the life of me think / see what it is - I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even use I need Apache as I don't need to serve any HTTP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages, just JSON response data (Please correct me if I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not your Apache config. For a small site you don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strictly need Apache. But when you get larger and want to run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple instances of your application to scale up, then you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want Apache (or something that helps to distribute the load, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache is probably the easy, cheap option here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know requests are getting through to the Linux server >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (checked with tcpdump), and I can see the request in the WO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application log with the following error, which I can't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find anywhere on the net. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2012-3-13 2:40:43 GMT+00:00] <WorkerThread14> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.InstantiationError: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to create >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERXWOContext54 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that means (and yeah, it is freaking obscure) that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Wonder that is on your dev machine is much older >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than what is on the server. Check the size/date of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERExtensions.framework/Resources/Java/erextensions.jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also check your app for code like: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setContextClassName("ERXWOContext54"); >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.createContextForRequest(WOApplication.java:2039) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.createContextForRequest(ERXApplication.java:2083) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.handleActionRequestError(ERXApplication.java:1735) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOActionRequestHandler._handleRequest(WOActionRequestHandler.java:245) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOActionRequestHandler.handleRequest(WOActionRequestHandler.java:158) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXDirectActionRequestHandler.handleRequest(ERXDirectActionRequestHandler.java:126) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.dispatchRequest(WOApplication.java:1687) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(ERXApplication.java:2021) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXApplication.java:1986) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.runOnce(WOWorkerThread.java:144) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.run(WOWorkerThread.java:226) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mar 13 02:40:43 Jaboo[2002] WARN NSLog - <WOWorkerThread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> id=14 socket=null> Workerthread exiting due to error, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respawning with ID 10014... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exception in thread "WorkerThread14" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [java.lang.InstantiationError] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to create >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERXWOContext54:java.lang.InstantiationError: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jaboo.proto.websvc.Application>: Unable to create >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERXWOContext54 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've bypassed Apache and wotaskd and am just doing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DirectConnection (which I've enabled) to the application >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate any help of guidance on how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot further.. as I'm about to lose what little hair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got left - my time is running out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmest regards and a big hug to anyone who can help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (please..) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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