It is not only the Problem that we won't share, but ------------------------------------------------------------ For Comitter:
Create Framework, changes everything in other Frameworks that have to , commit, done, Hero Mode. ------------------------------------------------------------ For Non-Comitter: Create Framework, changes everything that has to be changed test it. Use it. Would like to share make first Patch to other Frameworks : wait , wait, wait, Fine make next Patch : wait.... make next Patch but somebody says we don't need that.... Hmm now the Commit can't be done. ------------------------------------------------------------ That's the big difference, and I really think it wan't get better. Also Johan, if we find a way to work together on your D2W Components I would love to. I also have about 30 Custom Components. Ken On 2012/03/29, at 6:57, Johan Henselmans wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> >> Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit : >> >>>>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the >>>>>> majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the community >>>>>> and the most voted issues will become the highest priorities." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will >>>>> continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in >>>>> Wonder. >>>> >>>> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to >>>> Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple… We don't have that >>>> sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we >>>> don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway, >>>> but that's another story… >>> Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder. Almost >>> all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating their time, >>> bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community. Frankly, if Apple >>> hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done them anyway, because I >>> just enjoyed making things. >>> >>> This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up >>> with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of that, >>> there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market cost for >>> this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand dollars of >>> time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on top of >>> encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going to be paid >>> crap, so why would anyone even bother? >>> >>> I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money. >>> They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't care >>> enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to do X" or >>> "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know how to >>> write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working on WOLips, >>> and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on Wonder. I'm would >>> wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the same category. >>> Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest times in Wonder >>> for me were always when one person contributing got someone else energized >>> to contribute and amazing things were made. >>> >>> The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're >>> just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying the >>> fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look in the >>> mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be sad that >>> it dies. >> >> I think reasons don't contribute are: >> >> 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to >> saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have >> everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible. >> >> 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I >> added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the >> community" talk at WOWODC. >> >> 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts. And >> I can't do anything about that. >> >> So I really don't know how we can improve the situation… >> >> > > There are two extra reasons that people do not contribute: the scale of the > project is immense. It is really intimidating to have a look at the project > and see what is available. This is not a place where people beginning to > learn a framework would be happy with. > > Which leads me to another reason people do not contribute: people get stuck > in a problem and there is no infrastructure to work together properly. > > I have started to build several things I would have liked to contribute to > Wonder (some localized date-time D2W component and a print as pdf/excel D2W > component) that i am sure with the help of some people would be fixed in half > a day. Problem is that from where I am working, the nearest approachable > WO-developer would be located in Germany, a few hundred miles away. > > I think an IRC channel, that once was setup, but never practically used, or > some other 'live' channel that would be available at a specific time would > get me a lot more productive in contributing stuff. > > On the other hand, I am a Casual WebObjects Developer, I spend a few > hours/days a month tinkering with WebObjects projects, and sometime (like > now) actually building some new stuff. That might also lead to my pitiful > contributing situation. Sniff. > > Anyway, I think it might be a nice idea to have a place where one can find > requests to improve Wonder, so that if there is interest, people can pool > together to get something fixed or build. I think working side to side from > experienced and less experienced people might lead to more contributions. > > For instance: > I would like to have/use/build a localized time/date component, > a GoogleMaps/OpenStreetMap component > and a proper introduction in how to use OpenId version 2 with Wonder. > > If anybody is interested in working with me (some experience, bot not into > the deepest bowls of the frameworks), please let me know. > > Something like that. > > (Did I just start something?) > >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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